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Message: [QUOTE="TrackMaster, post: 663258, member: 22282"] oops you were talking about the jump face. the face is about 1.5 bike lengths long with a pretty steep angle. and the short 20 ft one is about 2 bike lengths really steep face. the 50 ft one out of the corner is tough to clear, but i know i could do it on a 250. I see a lot of guys that are wayyy slow in the corner and clear it like nothing on 250s. But ive never seen anyone do it without seat bouncing on a 125. I dont think ive even seen a C rider clear it on a 125, but im getting closer. [/QUOTE]