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Message: [QUOTE="whenfoxforks-ruled, post: 1121851, member: 73147"] [b]Ladder[/b] Progression should move pw50-ktmjr or equal-ktmsr or equal- 65 - 85-125 Let the child move at his rate, If he can reach the pegs and bars he can go,stopping and falling is another story. It looks like you have a progression of riders coming up, they don't like hand-me downs,very few get the new bike awe out of used bikes.Trail minis are more feeble than race bikes,cheeper and less maintenance. If you go trail and they are trashing the bikes then they need race bikes.HEALTH INSURANCE required or a bank to cover injuries incurred, check coverage, be specific about what the kids are doing. Get a camcorder, have fun, never yell, be safe as can be! [/QUOTE]