WE :ugg: went window shopping today, mostly so that I could sell the pickup idea. She made all kinds of excuses for not getting a pickup ( some of you may say truck.... :nener: ) but I think that she knows what she wants ( funny thing about her :yeehaw: ) I found out that she already has HER Excursion picked out, so I guess I should have went riding instead of window shopping, what with winter coming and all . I did talk her into the 5.4 L though, thanks for all the input and as far as hills go, we live in WI and what you guys call hills out west we call mountains. :laugh: