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Message: [QUOTE="tadudeabq, post: 194799, member: 25452"] Get a MRI and the doc will let you know exactly what is going on in there. Mri's are fast and easy with no pain, I had an MRI to determine that my acl was torn completely and was given the choice of surgery or physical therapy to strengthen my quads and live with the sloppy knee. I opted for the surgery which I had august 24th and still recovering at about 65%. It is a slow recovery as my doc restricted me off the bike till February, I recently bought a new cr500 and could not resist a little ride and set my recovery back about 2 weeks. The the day after the ride I was sore and swelled a little, but all is fine now and the bikes are put away till spring. One thing for sure if your active especially dirt bikes, you will eventually tear your acl completely. As for knee braces right now they will help but will not prevent any further injuries as I was wearing an evs rs5 top of the line brace and still popped my knee out bad enough to tear my acl. The brace I would say prevented more damage than if I was not wearing it but only gave me limited protection. Also if you get the surgery GO TO THE PHYSICAL THERAPY! It works and helps greatly in the recovery process. ? Good luck.... [/QUOTE]