Riding Area's at risk near spokane!

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Surprizing I haven't seen something like this here in awhile, I saw this on TT.com and thought I'd pass it along. Orginal post is below:

I have been riding the Little Pend Oreille trail system for about 10 years now and have noticed changes taking place over the years. The granolas are winning the battle in the Colville NF!!! Originally we could ride from campgrounds and use the roads to access trails. Now we are restricted and told to transport our bikes a half mile to the staging area.

When in a Spokane bookstore last week I picked up a camping book and the author slammed ORVs in the Little Pend Oreille area. The Little Pend Oreille trail system was built in the 1980's for dirt bikes and horses, but now the greenies are trying to overtake the trails. The Colville NF is giving us the opportunity to speak out for our trails and will use attendance/interest in determining the fate of OUR trails.

The negative side is that the Kettle Range Conservation group is coming to the next meeting in force. We need as many TT'ers as we can get at the next user interest meeting. Here is the latest information from PANTRA on the next meeting. Check out the up to date info at www.pantra.org and the Yahoo group site.

Scroll down to read info!

Ryan

The 2nd OHV Strategy Meeting is scheduled for July 30, 2003 at 6:30
PM.

It will again be around the Cusick area but the actual location has
yet to be determined, I will pass the info on as soon as I receive it.

There were about 20 people in attendance for the first meeting
representing dirtbiker, ATV, 4x4, equestrian, snowmobile and
environmental interests. It was just the beginning of what will be a
long process.

We are expecting substantially more attendance at this next meeting,
especially since the environmentalists said they will be coming out in
force.

If you can attend any of these meetings, I urge you to do so. The FS
is giving us a chance to have a voice in how the Colville will be
managed so if you aren't there, don't complain about it later.

Feel free to pass this info onto anyone that may be interested in
attending the meetings.

Thanks,

Lori Jordan


Also included what the greenies are saying about us!

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EXECUTIVE SUMMARY:OUT OF BOUNDS

A Kettle Range Conservation Group report on the state of ORV
management on the Colville and Okanogan National Forests

Introduction

The "reach" of off-road vehicles (ORVs)?the ability of the machines
to penetrate wilderness?has increased dramatically in the last
decade. Modern ORVs can move at speeds in excess of 70 miles per
hour, and easily travel more than 100 miles in a single day. Even
where their use is prohibited, such as in federally designated parks,
monuments and wilderness areas, regular violations occur. Today's
machines are fast and agile, easily overcoming barriers that would
have blocked them only a few years ago.

As the popularity of off-road motorized recreation continues to grow,
more and more ORV enthusiasts are looking to the forests of Eastern
Washington for places to operate their machines. Forest monitoring
reports attest to the rapid rise in ORV use in the region, the
increasing impacts on forest resources, and the need for a
consistent, effective forest-wide policy to regulate ORV use and
minimize the associated impacts. An increasing number of newspaper
articles and letters to the editor attest to the growing public
controversy regarding ORV use on our local national forests.

It is our hope that this report will serve as a wake-up call to
federal and state agencies to address a problem that, barring
immediate action, will only get worse. Eastern Washington has yet to
experience the magnitude of ORV problems now facing other parts of
the country. Taking immediate action to prevent such problems from
occurring will avoid user-outrage and preserve the solitude of
Washington's last wild public forests.

Impacts of ORVs

A 1976 study offers an insightful explanation for the enormous
potential of ORVs to disrupt the environment in which they operate:

"The magnitude of the off-road recreational vehicle problem lies in
the fact that the off-road vehicle user can extend himself so
pervasively into the physical and attitudinal space of virtually all
other outdoor recreationists. He does this by his mobility, by the
conspicuous sights and sounds he generates, and by the physical
impacts or traces his vehicle so often leaves behind. The off-road
vehicle is, in effect, a multiplier of man. An individual equipped
with an off-road vehicle may equal the physical and aesthetic impact
of many traditional users in an area." (Badaracco 1976).

ORVs have the potential to adversely impact the environment in a
number of ways:

pollutants emitted by ORVs affect the quality of the air, soil, snow,
and water, and adversely affect human health grasses and shrubs can
be destroyed by even moderate ORV use ORVs contribute to the spread
of invasive weed species ORVs cause soils to become compacted, which
results in erosion, stream sediment, alteration of hydrological
flows, and other problems the noise created by ORV motors,
particularly the two-cycle variety, can travel for miles in the quiet
of the wilderness, stressing wildlife and humans alike persistent ORV
use can lead to changes in plant density and species composition and
retard forest maturity ORV use amplifies past, present, and future
effects, increasing the cumulative impacts on the environment ORV
traffic have the potential to harass wildlife, interfering with
migration, reproduction, and other life cycles by creating new roads
and trails, ORVs are finding their way deeper and deeper into wild
areas, reducing suitable habitat for old-growth species and other
solitude-dependent species.

Threatened and endangered species are particularly vulnerable to the
impacts of ORVs. Lynx are adversely affected by snowmobile trails and
roads maintained for winter recreation and forest management
activities, which enable coyotes and bobcats to access their winter
habitat. Woodland caribou are physically displaced by ORV activity,
moving them from key habitats and pushing them into the same remote
areas occupied by their predators. Grizzly bears are affected by
physical fragmentation of and alienation from their habitat, often
avoiding an ecological zone-of-influence, generally considered to be
approximately 500 meters, in the vicinity of roads and areas of
motorized activity.

In addition to environmental effects, ORVs have enormous potential
for adverse impacts on non-motorized recreation such as cross-country
skiing, hiking, showshoeing, wildlife photography and other
activities where solitude or at least a low level of human
disturbance is a prerequisite to the experience.

More powerful engines, wider tires, and other advances in technology
have increased ORVs' capability to travel off road and into the
wilderness, exponentially adding to the cumulative impacts on the
air, soil, water, wildlife, and solitude of public lands.

Rising Sales of ORVs

During the last three decades, the sale and use of ORVs has
skyrocketed:

between 1991 and 1997, annual sales of ATVs climbed from 150,000 to
343,000, while snowmobile sales more than doubled, increasing from
80,000 to 174,000 the estimated number of ORVs in use rose from 5
million in 1972 to over 38 million in 1993 snowmobile registrations
in Washington State have increased 10-fold since 1972.

The recreation industry has achieved a high level of effectiveness
and cooperation through organizations such as the American Recreation
Coalition (ARC) and the Blue Ribbon Commission (BRC). These industry
organizations are largely comprised of manufacturers of motor boats,
jet-skis, RVs, motorcycles, ATVs, snowmobiles, and sporting
equipment. Membership also includes public land concessionaires,
campground associations, sporting equipment manufacturers, tour
associations, and petroleum companies.

The ARC makes no bones about its involvement in national policy
decision-making, stating that the ARC "provides a unified voice for
recreation interests to ensure their full and active participation in
government policy making." Furthermore, the federal government sees
no problem with ARC's role in such policy making.

The BRC is perhaps best known for its recent lawsuit to keep
Yellowstone National Park open to snowmobiles. Like the ARC, the BRC
has opposed recent EPA proposals to adopt tougher standards that
would more significantly reduce air pollution and better protect
public health, arguing that pollution from ORVs does not adversely
affect public lands.

Lack of Compliance with Laws and Regulations

A number of legal statues and regulations guide the development and
management of ORV policy on National Forests, ranging from Executive
Orders (EO's) signed by presidents to Land and Resource Management
Plans (LRMP) developed by each individual National Forest. Keys
provisions of these regulations require federal land manager to do
the following:

designate specific areas and trails on public lands on which the use
of off-road vehicles may be permitted, and areas in which the use of
off-road vehicles may not be permitted, based upon the protection of
the resources of the public lands, promotion of the safety of all
users of those lands, and minimization of conflicts among the various
uses of those lands, and located so as to minimize conflicts between
off-road vehicle use and other existing or proposed recreational
uses. In designation of routes, damage to soils, watershed,
vegetation, and other land resources; wildlife harassment and impacts
to wildlife habitat; and conflicts between ORV use and other uses of
the land must be minimized.


ensure that areas and trails where off-road vehicle use is permitted
are well marked.


prescribe appropriate penalties for violation of regulations and
establish procedures for the enforcement of those regulations.

monitor ORV use and its impacts; if it is determined that ORV
use "will cause or is causing considerable adverse effects on the
soil, vegetation, wildlife, wildlife habitat or cultural or historic
resources of particular areas or trails of the public lands," land
managers must "immediately close such areas or trails to the type of
off-road vehicle causing such effects, until such time as he
determines that such adverse effects have been eliminated and that
measures have been implemented to prevent future recurrence.
Based on records obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, KRCG
has concluded that both the Colville and Okanogan National Forests
have failed to adequately analyze impacts to forest resources in
designating ORV-use areas, have not clearly marked areas open to
ORVs, have not enforced a "closed unless marked open" policy, have
failed to monitor the impacts of ORVs in areas where they are
permitted, and have not adequately enforced existing regulations.

Examples of Conflict and Impact

In the Kettle River Range, located in the Colville National Forest
(CNF), non-motorized and motorized recreation areas are highly
interspersed: valley bottoms are mostly roaded and open to motorized
use while high alpine ridgelines are designated non-motorized. Near
the summit of Sherman Pass, Albian Hill Road (FS 2030), Sherman Creek
Road (FS 2020), Hall Creek Road (FS 2054-100) and Twin Sisters, semi-
primitive motorized recreation-use zones are located downhill and
within direct line-of-sight and earshot of semi-primitive non-
motorized zones, significantly degrading the non-motorized experience
for hikers, snowshoers and cross-country skiers.

Monitoring of this conflict by the Forest Service is completely
absent, despite complaints registered by Kettle Range Conservation
Group (KRCG) and others.

In the Okanogan National Forest (ONF), helicopter-skiing reaches deep
into secluded backcountry, affecting areas otherwise closed to
motorized vehicles year round.

Though helicopter-skiing use occurs in mountain goat habitat that was
designated "to optimize habitat condition and perpetuate a healthy
mountain goat population," and in spite of the fact that numerous
studies have concluded that helicopters have a negative impact on
mountain goat populations, there exists no meaningful monitoring of
the mountain goat population.

Without monitoring and inventory data, it is not possible to
determine if there has been adverse disturbance to this unique
indicator species for mountain habitat.

Conclusion and Recommendations

The known effects of ORVs on natural resources, wildlife, threatened
and endangered species, non-motorized recreation, water quality and
air quality are substantial. Over two decades ago, Executive Orders
were signed by two presidents demanding that these effects be taken
into account in the management of public lands. Numerous sections of
the Code of Federal Regulations make specific requirements of land
managers in meeting the objectives of the Executive Orders.

Since these laws went into effect, the population of Eastern
Washington has grown considerably. Use of ORVs for recreational
purposes has risen dramatically. ORVs are more powerful and user-
friendly, rendering them far more capable of reaching into the rugged
wildlands than their counterparts of the 1970's. Native species
especially sensitive to the impacts of ORVs have been added to the
threatened and endangered lists. ORV incursions into roadless
wildlands have increased.

The importance of compliance with federal law and policy regarding
ORVs is much greater today than it was twenty-five years ago.
Likewise, compliance with the requirements of local Forest Plans to
effectively manage recreation is more critical today than ever
before. And yet these legal requirements have been largely ignored.

Many National Forests in more populated areas waited too long to take
the ORV situation seriously and have discovered that after an area
becomes a major attraction for ORV operators, it is very difficult to
restrict or regulate use. The old saying, "possession is nine-tenths
of the law," seems particularly applicable to ORV-use areas. Whenever
restrictions are imposed in a specific area, the primary complaint
from the motorized-recreation community is that federal land managers
are denying users access to areas in which they have traditionally
operated for years. The fact that the intensity of the use, and
therefore the impact of the use, has increased exponentially over
those same years is almost never acknowledged.

To bring recreation management into compliance with applicable laws
and regulations, and in order to protect the Okanogan and Colville
National Forests from the consequences of inadequately managed
motorized recreation, KRCG asks that the Forests take the following
actions:

begin a process of developing a comprehensive, consistent, forest-
wide policy regarding the use of ORVs

designate ORV-use areas only after meaningful analysis of impacts to
forest resources

adopt a "closed unless marked open" policy, clearly mark all trails
designated for ORV use, and initiate a campaign to inform the public
that all areas of the Forest are closed to ORVs use unless otherwise
marked

promulgate rules and regulations regarding use of ORVs in designated
areas and strictly enforce the regulations

develop a meaningful monitoring program that includes the use of
scientific methodology to determine if impacts not predicted during
planning and designation of ORV-use areas have reached the threshold
of "significance."

In short, we are asking nothing more than what the laws and
regulations written and promulgated twenty-five years ago promised
the public: a consistent, forest-wide policy regarding the use of
ORVs on the National Forests, based on scientific analysis of the
potential and existing impacts to forest resources form ORVs,
enforced by law, and monitored for its effectiveness in preventing
adverse effects from ORVs.



Back to Main ORV Report page
http://www.kettlerange.org/orvreport/index.htm

Executive Summary of report
http://www.kettlerange.org/orvreport/ExecSummary.htm

Abridged Report in pdf format (437k)
http://www.kettlerange.org/orvreport/abridgedrecreport
 

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I came down to Pend orille and rode recently . I sure hope you guys don't lose that as a riding area! It wasc awesome. Its sad to see how people who don't participate in an activity, can ruin it for those who do. Most of the leaf lickers who use that area for hiking and veiwing nature probably use the trails and bridges built for dirtbikes to get around on! I was there for three days, and i only saw one group of hikers as opposed to many motorcycles. I hope you guys can win this fight, and wish I could help.

If you ever get tired of the political bs come up and ride in Canada. If a granola cruncher get in the way we just run him down! Good luck with your fight.
 

firecracker22

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Bbbom's on it, she's really good at spreading the word. I wish I had known a little bit in advance, I got her email right after deadline for the local weekly I write for sometimes.

I'm going to try to go. Anyone else besides Bbbom? Lori, you wanna carpool if you have room, and compare notes to prepare a statement? What kind of info do we need--can we get any kind of user statistics? How about Debbie, can she help?
 

bbbom

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I just found this thread - thanks for posting the info. We met Ryan at the meeting last night - he's a good addition to our club!

Yes, we are working with the FS and Deb Wilkins specifically to save our trails up there. We are actually fighting two fights - the Environazis and the quads.

Not only do the Enviros want to shut us all down but the quads are yelling that they need a place too. We don't deny that the quads need a place to ride but NOT at our expense and loss of some of the best singletrack trails in the country.

The meetings are basically a way for the FS to get the user's involved so they can determine what we want and develop programs and NEPA studies based upon our desires. They know that any program developed without the users backing is destined to fail.

The greenies are outnumbered about 10:1 in these meetings and they continue to spout the same crap as always - we want our solitude, we don't want to share.....................

Best part last night was when one of the ladies that is employed by the FS up there stood up and told them that if they wanted solitude for their hiking then they need to not hike in an ORV Park and go hike in the WILDERNESS areas where everyone else is not allowed. She got a huge round of applause from that one!

The majority of the people in that area are avid ORV riders. Many are now on quads because they can't ride bikes anymore but they are on our side. As one old guy put it -"I've rode Batey Bould for over 20 years and it's a great dirtbike trail BUT I'm old now and can't ride bikes anymore so I want a place to ride my quad but I don't want to ride it on Batey Bould - that's for bikes!"

Even the equestrians are with us, one of the horsebackers commented that he had packed in timbers for the bridges on the trail system. He doesn't want to ride on those trails, his horses don't like them. He'll help fix them but he has other places to ride.

The greenies brought up user conflicts. There were several responses to him, such as the FS lady that told him to go take a hike in the wilderness (above). Basically the consensus was that user conflicts, at least in this area, are really overstated by the greenies. We pointed out that we rarely see anyone, bikes, hiker, horses and when we do we always slow down, stop or whatever is appropriate. The horse guy backed us up on that one too.

We also brought up the fact that there is really only a 3 to 4 months of the year that we can even feasibly ride. Snow during the winter and dust combined with fire closures in the summer make the season for dirtbikes up there very short.

One of the poor greenies was soooooo upset he started yelling at everyone to "SHUT UP!!! SHUT UP!!!" Sucks to have to listen to the truth I guess.

He also grabbed Deb after the meeting and told her he was really upset with the terrible way the meeting was ran (he was mad because we all shot their arguments to hell). Funny how some people just can't open their minds and figure out that maybe, just maybe they DO NOT know all the answers. So anyone that made it be sure to shoot her an email, phone call or whatever and tell her we thought the meeting went VERY well!

These meetings are just the very beginning but they are very important. We have to be there to express our opinions and make sure that we point out the bull**** the greenies are spouting.

There were actually some people on vacation from Bend, Oregon area at the meeting - kudos to you guys for stepping up & helping us out over here. Like they said, this place is a very unique area - where else can campout, go dirtbiking, sightseeing, hit the lake and have a convenient little resort all in the same place?

They may have come from TT.com. If anyone knows who they are, keep them keep them updated or give them my email addy and I will keep in touch. bbbom1@excite.com

PANTRA is staying involved on this one and I will gladly pass on any info to anyone interested.

Sharla, the bike ride up was HOT and the return trip was COLD!!! But it was a nice ride except my faceshield is plastered with bugs. :scream: Hey, that's kinda what they look like when they hit.

Is there any chance of some type of write up on the meeting? Not sure what but if nothing else, get the info for the next meeting out. If you want more let me know and I'll help you out with it:

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Pend Oreille Valley Recreation Travel Strategy Meeting Number 3

August 13, 2003 from 6:30 pm to 9:10 pm at the Cusick High School, Cusick Washington.

The High School is on the right side of Monumental Ave a couple blocks east of Highway 20 which is the road on the south side of the bridge on Highway 20 in Cusick.

Come one, Come All! Even if you have missed the first two meetings get involved now. These meetings will help determine how ORV's will be managed in the Pend Oreille Valley area of the Colville National Forest which includes the Batey Bould and Little Pend Oreille ORV trail systems. If you like to ride this area you need to get involved.

If you have any question, you can contact Debbie Wilkins, USFS, Colville National Forest, Pend Oreille Valley, Recreation, Engineering, Lands & Minerals at 509-447-7332 E-mail: dwilkins@fs.fed.us

Or the Newport Ranger District front desk 509-447-7300.

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If anyone wants more info let me know!
 
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firecracker22

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Dang it, I wish I hadn't missed it now. I did get my truck fixed--and it was just a $12 u-joint. It's nice when it is the simple, easy cheap solution instead of the big scary problem you think it might be.

So there was just one greenie with his panties in a bunch? How funny.

If you have any notes and exchanged any contact info, forward to me anything you can. For it to be a decently newsworthy story, I'd have to tie it in with the next step--will another meeting be held? What happens next? The Local Planet prefers to write about things that are happening, not that have already happened. I didn't get the info about this one in time to make deadline.
 

bbbom

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You need to get more sleep chiquita!!!! :thumb:


I have no idea what would/wouldn't be storyworthy but the meetings are informal discussions of what we think are the main issues/problems in the Pend Oreille Valley area of the Colville National Forest.

One thing to keep in mind though is that we do NOT want to alienate the greenies. We need to cultivate a friendship with them otherwise, they'll just walk away from the discussion and continue stirring up crap through the courts. We need them to be involved in developing this strategy so they don't come back on it later. We need to be their "friends"!


First meeting:

The moderators went over the Collaborative Learning Process which is a newly developed way for the agency to gather information from all concerned parties. I think I emailed the write up on the process that Debbie sent out. If not let me know & I will get it to you.

They opened the floor up for everyone to bring up issues and how the different issues related to the other issues. Things such as Access, lack of maintenance, user conflicts, habitat, special places, lack of active management, adjacent landowners, economic impacts, camping, lack of trailhead parking.................................then they drew lines to show how it all interacted.

The second meeting:

They had a cleaned up version of the above and asked for any additional issues. After that, they handed out a questionaire (I can give you a blank copy) that asked you to essentially explain what issues were important to you and why and I think what you thought should be done - can't remember but I have a copy at home.

It was funny because of course all of us bikers had essentially the same thing - SOS (Save our singletrack!!!)

Then they had us pair up to discuss what you had written - Lisa & I hooked up which we should have chased down one of the greenies but they smell funny. :p

Next we got into groups of 6 or so to discuss the same thing. Then they went around to each group & had one person explain what the main issue was to them. After each group presented an issue they went around again for more issues.

This is where the greenie got pissy. One of his fellow greenies made the issue of "solitude" and the snickering & "Then don't hike in an ORV Park" comments came out. I mean my gawd since when is their pursuit of "solitude" more important than our pursuit of an "adrenaline rush"? I mean I have solitude all over, I stay in my office on the internet most all day, mountain bike for lunch alone, and go home where I see no-one but the kids, Karl, dogs, cats & occaisional bear or coug!

Maybe that's the ticket. I'm so bored with solitude I need an adrenaline rush so could it be that the greenies are so bored with adrenaline rushes they need solitude? :think: I doubt it, it's hard to get much adrenaline rush from a beat up old VW bus! :)

So, as posted above, my blonde sleepy friend ;) the next meeting will be August 13, 2003 same bat time, same bat channel!

I will email Deb & see if I can get an Agenda or some more info on what is to happen next. My understanding is that we will further discuss each issue and relationship.

I am going to sit at the green table this time though. I want to understand what the REAL issue is for these guys. Maybe we can offer them a nice beginner Karl ride?

You know maybe you can get an interview with the greenies to see why they can't accept that their opinion is NOT the opinion of most all of us that have lived out in these areas forever! I have a theory that all of these guys are born & raised in some big city and they really have no understanding of nature and the forest except for what they learned in books & school. Can we do some type of background investigation? I'd wager a good amount that I'm right.

You just can't grow up in these areas and not learn that man & nature can live & play together!
 
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fishhead

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Friend? They are the enemy that sleeps in the city which never sleeps and expects to drive 2 miles to the country and have us get out of thier way so they can have their "solitude" Their viewpoint is peculiarly egocentric and does not allow for a live and let live policy. If we need lumber we cut down a tree and replant and manage the forest. If they need a tree they want us to do it while they manage the process to death with lots of "process"

Don't budge an inch, send them back to the city!

Of course thats only my opinion and I'm certainly not telling you how to hoe your row. I have been told they are only good for fertilizer.
 

bbbom

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Originally posted by fishhead

Their viewpoint is peculiarly egocentric and does not allow for a live and let live policy.

That is basically what I was trying to say above. By saying that we need to become their "friend" I am not saying that we need to accept or give into them, but to hear their arguments and figure out where they are coming from to discredit them.

For example, they continually spout that public opinion is opposed to motorized use. We all know that is bull, just ask around. Just look at the Strategy meeting - there are like 4 greenies in a room of over 40 people and the other 36 are working to preserve and expand the moto trails. But we need to know where they get their information in order to discredit it.

My thinking is, the more we know about their backgrounds, thinking, etc. the easier it is to fight them with the truth. I checked into the Kettle Range Conservation Group - KRCG and David Heflick one of their directors who is in these meetings. Big surprise here, he graduated from Pacific Lutheran College (a very expensive private Liberal Arts College) with a BA in Music Education. He and his wife live in far NE Washington with no electricity and they do folk music presentations for schools. He wrote a book on "How to Make Money Performing at Schools" and one called "The Greater Spokane and Palouse Region Back Roads Cycling Guide". If this is not the epitomy of an Environazi, I don't know what is. What is really sickening is they probably pay nothing in the taxes that are used to manage OUR public lands or fund our public schools but he's making money off of both.

Not to worry, we will not budge an inch and we've already told the group that - we want our singletrack left alone. If they take it away, either by designating it non-moto or by widening it then we will be gone, no more involvement, no more help, no more concern of any kind for what happens to the place, it could go up in smoke for all we care. Boy could you imagine the economic impact on that area!
 
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