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Message: [QUOTE="a454elk, post: 243346, member: 23609"] Here's the scoop as far as I know. The setup and delivery charges are pretty much a scam. I just bought a new bike and did some research prior to the purchase. One dealer charged 3995 for the bike and the out the door price was 5300! The dealer I bought it from had the bike at 4300 and out the door at 5000. The manufacturer is supposed to pay the dealer back for the setup and delivery. It's definately a money making opportunity for a dealer. They can charge alot for the setup and delivery and make the bike look like it was a steal at a low price. It's a numbers game so get an out the door price you want and find a dealer that will go for it. Good luck Elk [/QUOTE]