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Message: [QUOTE="Jeremy Wilkey, post: 181542, member: 17220"] Kawie, What I'm saying is this.. We take 2-4 riders of diffrent weights.. We check sag with each rider. After looking at what spring rates actually produce say ideal sag numbers we have points that we could and do plot.. Now you'll see that for oour purpouses a line can be drawn between these points. We make it a straight line.. As it actually is if we could avergae it.. Now we have a simple y= rate of spring m(Slope of line a function of ratio in static postion) x(rider weight) b (yintcecpt) this has to do with ratio and static weight of bike. Now after have this line we make modifcations to y incecept and slope to satisfy or tuning prefrences.. Regards, Jer Ghunter, .46 and 5.4 [/QUOTE]