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Message: [QUOTE="Chili, post: 1352776, member: 29892"] Doug I hadn't ridden much over the last 5 years and when I did I found my 250 2 stroke to be a bear to hold onto or control, especially if traction was poor. Rode my son's 250F and was instantly hooked on the 4 stroke advantage. I did find a 250F to feel a bit weak and opted for an 09 KX450F. The 450 has enough power to scare the bejeezus out of you BUT it doesn't hit like the 2 stroke and seems far easier for me to handle than a 250 smoker. Given that the off-road models will be more tame I'd suggest the CRF450X, WR450F or the KLX450F. [/QUOTE]