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Message: [QUOTE="Smitty, post: 252959, member: 16698"] <------------------Check my avatar. Submarined my KX250, completely gone, nothing to see except bubbles and oily water in a retention pond. I flipped it over drained everything, changed the oil, regreased everything, straightened the subframe (oops!), install new bars, and then rode it for a year and a half with no problems whatsoever. Man that was a spectacular crash. The Oklahoma Pond Flip. [/QUOTE]