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Message: [QUOTE="semi old guy, post: 24463, member: 16894"] I like pedro's description. he point's out the rate change due to the end effect. as far as lighter (shorter smaller wire diameter) springs I suspect that increased loads would cause yielding or failer. Spring steel is real hard and stuff. in fact you can probably recall a few years back when springs sacked out much sooner than they do today. I've also seen them shatter into many pieces in a fork. the shock wave suggestion is interesting [/QUOTE]