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Message: [QUOTE="kiwijohn, post: 1063813, member: 57792"] Forgot to mention... when you land from a jump or brake hard, your body wants to collapse forward. It';s the abdominal wall that stops that happening, unless your too weak through there, then your arms and hands have to cope with all the stresses!! Felt that before? Check out the fast dudes under brakes... are there arms rigid? or do they still move back and forward . NOW check the position of their backs... do they flop around? I don't think so... It's all down to posture........ [/QUOTE]