This is Ridiculous!

MrLuckey · Aug 3, 2002

Yet another DRN'r down on the track, while not as severe (hopefully) as some of the others this is a good example of what has formed my opinion (FEAR) of MX. Thumbs does MX, Enduros, GP etc. pretty much anything to be on a bike.

Tony Eeds · Aug 4, 2002

OK Eddie, bad choice of words. Riding in the woods isn't always slo-mo.

I still believe you are more likely to find a green novice at a track showing off to his buddies.

When I crash in the woods, I am often the only one to even know it. This is because I am often chasing the people I am supposed to be riding with. ;)

IMO, ain't nothing like cross country or desert for a real rush. Nothing like finding a washout or a pucker bush on "YOUR" line at 50 or so.

BSWIFT · Aug 4, 2002

Originally posted by Tony Eeds
Nothing like finding a washout or a pucker bush on "YOUR" line at 50 or so.

Finding a washout at 50 in your line is where the term "pucker bush" comes from. :scream:

MrLuckey · Aug 4, 2002

Yeah I know what you mean Tony, I used to ride in CA and that high speed desert stuff just isn't for me, THOSE guys are nuts :) I agree with your point that you're probably more likely to get a few guys riding WAY above their heads trying to show off for their buds - but doesn't that kinda reinforce my point that MX has more potential for serious injury :)

a454elk · Aug 4, 2002

TTR, Thumbs does MX? Oh, is THAT what he calls it?!:) I call it watering the track!:p:moon:

I'm not sure if this is a thread to see what we ride or just for the club questions.
I'll ride either. I love to ride the trails and see new areas, you can't beat that. I love to chase Thumbs and 89er down a trail I've never been on. I enjoy racing the track with the SoCal guys along with Elk Jr. I think I'm split 50/50, both have their enjoyments and both have their chance of injury. If you're on the track, you try to jump things that you normally wouldn't because others are doing it. When you're on the trails, riding in an unfamiliar area gives me the heebie jeebies, and can result in a bike toss for distance down a hole.

Both can co-exist and you might even have some folks going both ways (no pun intended). You might also get some more families out there if they have the option to run the track or ride a trail.
My .02 cents.
ELk

bushpilot · Aug 4, 2002

Most clubs have by-laws that establish how new members qualify and how current members can be expelled. You old member/trailriders are not powerless. Through a combination of discrimination on entry and strict policing of current members you can keep the club on the right track.

Wayne

tx246 · Aug 5, 2002

TTR guy--- im apologize that i didnt do a good job in my previous post. i didnt mean to imply HS races were leisurly or slow. far from it. i think it takes greater skill to go "quick" in this format than mx. mx obstacles are in the same place every time you go. your racing line on an mx course is much "wider" than a woods course too. if i go over a berm, i fall down. over shoot a corner in the woods and i could get my bell rung by a tree or a rock. to me, mx tracks are a much more controlled environment. (good mx tracks are controlled from organized practice to skilled flaggers). seems the mx track bites you harder when you make a bad decision. beginners showing off ect.

for me and me alone if i am going as fast as i can ie race, i would rather do it on an mx track. the safest riding for me to do is trail ride (especially with the kiddos). the riding that fears me most is running a cross country /HS event.

but you know what? at dw01 i did the HS race and had a great time. maybe if i got more chances at woods racing i would get more comfortable with the speed in the trees. i promise if i was able to ride at dw02 i would do every event. especially the woods stuff.

its funny because im not fast at all on an mx track but i can out run some fast woods guys by a good margin who dabble in mx but on the same note they make me look like im running on flats when we go in the trees.

bottom line is i like bikes and ill ride em all until the doc says i cant..........and right now he says i cant :(

jmics19067 · Aug 6, 2002

Riding in the woods is slow motion compared to MX, even though the tracks are designed to keep the speed down.

In My humble spodely squid like opinion just two completely different forms of racing motocross is all about setting up ; setting up for the turn setting up for the jumps setting up the pass etc....
in the woods it is all about the ability to react going around a tight blind turn to find out that ou are going to be heading up a snotty long uphill with logs across the path and a guy stuck halfway up blocking the path.
woods: no real chance of doing that section you just muffed cleanly next lap.or how to be faster in the next moto
motocross: very rarely the chance of an extremely funny or amusing situation arising to talk about .
the chances are better for a crash or incident to be hilarious being a survivor of or better yet to see someone else survive with out injury<except for ego> you slide out in a turn on a motocross track you pick up the bike and get going again. you catch a tree with the handlebars and high side into a big mud puddle you augh and get laughed at

both can be dangerous though . From personal experience coming up short on a downhill double and pile driving my helmet into the ground hurt and scared me just as much as zipping thru some tight woods and having a vine catch my mouthgaurd of my helmet

dirtybkr · Aug 6, 2002

There is a whole other issue here that Woods didn't bring up , expense .

I am a member of the same club and part of the reason for increasing the dues ( besides motovating the lazy ) is to buy more land . If money is used to rent earth moving equipment , we may not have the cash needed to move on ajoining property when it becomes available .
I also wouldn't want to know what our insurance rates would do if it is known that we have large M/X style jumps on the property .

WoodsRider · Aug 6, 2002

Of course if dirtybkr would attend another meeting he'd learn a few things. We are looking into buying some small parcels of adjoining property and possibly lease a large parcel from a timber company. This will require cash.

There is also another issue regarding the insurance, but it has nothing to do with mx jumps. It's the same reason motorcycle event insurance has tripled in price over the last three years and why it costs so much to ride at an MX track.

70 marlin · Aug 6, 2002

Some people just can't leave a good thing alone! raise your due's to $500 a year that'll weed out the rif raf!

munch · Aug 6, 2002

Broken hands in the woods? How about amputated fingers?

truespode · Aug 6, 2002

Originally posted by munch
How about amputated fingers?

That happens on the track too. Just ask Gomer how close he came to losing his favorite finger :)

Ivan

thumbs · Aug 6, 2002

Originally posted by TTRGuy
Yet another DRN'r down on the track, while not as severe (hopefully) as some of the others this is a good example of what has formed my opinion (FEAR) of MX. Thumbs does MX, Enduros, GP etc. pretty much anything to be on a bike.

Went to the hospital yesterday and it's not that severe (strained Pronator Quadratus, pulled Trapezius and a broken finger). But I am as sore as one can be without being dead.

I don't know where I stand on this on. I can crash just as hard in the desert or woods as I can on the track. I proved that last Thursday night at Saddleback MX park. No doubt that I get alot more scratches and bruises from the tight stuff and the desert, but the track just seems to hurt more when I go down.

Tony Eeds · Aug 6, 2002

thumbs - The only words I understood was "broken finger" :)
Regarding TTRGuys response to my response (whew). Yes, I sincerely believe that the "potential" for injury is greater on an MX track, if only because (at least on the tracks I have observed), there are way too many people that think their middle name is Ricky. :|
Regarding predictability ... Yes, woods are always full of suprises, but every time I have been to the local track in Highlands, the owner has made major changes to the layout. One trip around the track may result in a brief familiarity with the layout and lines, but one downed rider or quad will change it. Never mind the mohons that don't know the first thing except how to twist the grip. :think:
Back to the original question in the thread .... I have not been a member of a local club in the long time, but I seem to remember that there were bylaws that allowed the current members to accept and/or reject new members and control the direction of club growth. If not, amend the bylaws so the rules are in place.

WoodsRider · Aug 7, 2002

Each club has different by-laws.

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