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Message: [QUOTE="Camstyn, post: 580499, member: 16494"] The TM's have excellent handling traits. Ergonomically they feel like a Japanese bike, there is no "getting used to it." I've only ridden my 400 but it turns on a dime and I've nver experienced any headshake. It feels very nimble and agile, and really rewards aggressive riding. It feels very different to a KTM. The KTM feels long, skinny, and front-end-light. The TM front end feels amazingly planted while the KTM front wheel feels vague in comparison. The TM loves to turn while the KTM loves to go straight and turn wide. I always thought that "european handling" described how the KTM feels. The TM feels completely different IMHO. In stock trim the KTM ergos felt much roomier than the TM. Once changing to a taller bar, lower footpegs, and a tall seat foam, the TM makes the KTM feel like an 80. In stock trim it probably suits shorter riders best though. [/QUOTE]