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Message: [QUOTE="DougRoost, post: 255066, member: 23019"] YZ's are 2 smokes, YZF and WRF are 4 strokes (F for four). Not only are they a lot more money but what I meant was they have a lot more kick. All the bikes you mentioned and some of the replies are more enduro/trail bikes than MX bikes. MX bikes tend to have good but stiff suspensions and are maxed out in engine. The enduro bikes are a good compromise as they have good suspensions and smoother, more tractable power delivery. The TTR225 is really a playbike, not even something you'd run a harescramble or enduro in. Kawi dealers will deal on new KLXs and you can really get some good deals on used ones. Any KLX300 from '97 up is a good choice. With XR250s, anything from '96 up is what you want. Can't speak for the DRZ's as I just found the power/wieght not worth it, though many do like the e-start DRZ400s. [/QUOTE]