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Message: [QUOTE="cujet, post: 644135, member: 19501"] I just rode the TTR dual sport in GA. I got a chance to ride a few different bikes up a gnarly steep and technical hill. ( the riders were unable to do the hill themselves) What I found is that the hill was steep enough to require high torque in first gear. The KTM 400EXC did not have enough low end power to motor up the hill in first gear. I ended up slipping the clutch to get the bike to make it up. The bikes that motored right up were all big bores. It was really an eye opener, to have a hill steep enough that the bike wont pull it at low RPM and technical enough to prevent riding faster. I know this is uncommon, still I see why people like the KTM 525 and other big 4 strokes. They go slow really well! I suspect that the WR250 will not have nearly enough torque to motor up that type of hill. Chris [/QUOTE]