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Message: [QUOTE="2TrakR, post: 1019992, member: 27322"] Great discussion guys; please don't stop putting your views out here. That's exactly the info I'm really after. Here's some numbers to play with: We got close to 200,000 ORV stickers sold in 2005 (it was 180K last I saw a tally). Back in 2000 a respectable study showed bikes in the 20% range of stickers, full size in similar numbers and the rest going to ATVs. Say 60% for ATVs, that was 6 years ago. The trend from the stats before then show fairly steady increase in ATVs vs bikes. New sales, ATVs account for ~80% and bikes ~20%. RUVs in the 1% range. Organized groups for ATVs: MATVA, ATVOC and SORVA in the UP. Less than 1000 represented members. Organized groups for cycles (staggering in comparison): CCC, AMA D-14 are the two biggest, then there are plenty of regional clubs like LMC, Sandstormers, Twin Bay and so on. Just between D-14 and the CCC we're in the 10s of thousands of represented membership. A large number of ORV stickers are sold to hunters/fisherman (need a sticker to ice fish). There are ~2900 miles in the MI ORV system. Of those 3K miles, 500 is (72") Route; 2200 is Trail and 190 is Road (MCCCT). One fourth of the trail system is Route, for all ORVs. Of the 2200 miles of trail, 1100 are 50" and 1000 are 40" trail. Not all trail systems designated as 40" are single track (safe to say most are not) and they tend to generally already be 50" trails. Red Bridge, for example, is 50" for 2/3 of the system and 1/3 of it is still 24" cycle trail. Bummers Roost is 50"; Evart is about 50/50. Do these numbers change your minds at all (either way)? [/QUOTE]

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