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Message: [QUOTE="KTM Mike, post: 1020070, member: 22658"] Nope no change in my mind...i still want tight single track, and I still feel we have some political realities to face (no disrespect intended to others). Here is what I see in those #s 1) We (bikers) are like 20% of the machines, yet have about 30% of the total trails "designated" (not necessarily the reality in how tight they are) as for us only. So we are over represented in the trail types. That is amo for the ATV groups. 2) Bikers are DRAMATICALLY better organized that quad users (for now at least) ...and it is in part reflected in the trail mix - though not as well as you might otherwise think it could be. This would likely serve as a solid motivator for the ATV groups - we have proven what it takes to get what you want! 3) Bikers have clearly shown they have not forced all trails to be of their design...very much have bent over backwards to include wider user types. This could easily be a good point in our favor. 4) bikers are the primary ones that maintain all these miles of trails - we sure have been nice to them quad guys havent we? To me the issue is not about opening up the skinny stuff into wide, it is about making sure we have enough skinny stuff, and the ATVs have enough wide stuff to make both of us happy. In some ways, the more we do to assure the ATVs have plenty of wide stuff, the more likely we (may?) be to get what we want. The trick is accomplishing BOTH in a reasonable time period. From posts on other michigan specific ATV forums,it is clear there is a movement towards ATV users becoming way better organized. We need to pay head to this. It is also in clear that there is a vocal minority (on both sides) with some uh...extreme views..an all or nothing perspective. They may or may not get any where. Jeramy has done an excellent job in keep his cool in some rather heated discussions on other boards - and if you base it on the posts there, MOST of those posting seem to take a more moderate and reasonable view, aknowledging we bikers deserve to have our tight trail. But one or two hot heads seem to stir it all up. To me the opportunity is to support and encourge those ATV users with the moderate views enough to drown out the the voices of those stiring the pot. Those loose cannons are the ones we need to worry about. [/QUOTE]

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