Important Safety Tips On Stuck Throttles

EricGorr

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Safety Tips To Preventing “Stuck Throttle Condition STC”
By Eric Gorr

It’s a riding situation that most riders have experienced. The lack of control that makes riders panic when the engine runs wide open uncontrollably. This is often called “stuck throttle condition” or STC.
Recently Racer X online republished a news item http://www.racerxill.com/071502_tribune.cfm
originally printed in the Chicago Tribune. The article stated that a man had sued and won judgment against Yamaha regarding the injury he suffered on a 1996 YZ125. Since then I’ve received a lot of email, especially from kids concerned about the hazards of STC. Here are some notes that I put together on this important safety topic. Feel free to republish this post, or link to this article, for your local motorcycle web site or printed newsletter. Just please reference that it originated on www.dirtrider.net

Stuck Throttle Condition STC
STC means that the engine runs at high rpm without control from the throttle. STC can occur in three different forms; Mechanical, Air Pressure, and Auto-ignition
Mechanical
Mechanical STC occurs in the throttle grip, pulley, cable, carb slide, and or carb jet needle. Mechanical STC happens when crash damage or normal wear and tear cause one or more of these parts to stick in one position.
Examples: The bike falls on the right side and crushes the grip end causing it to bind on the handle bar. The cable wears and frays causing it to stick in the cable housing. The carb’s throttle slide and needle are exposed to dirt that passes by the air fliter, and gets wedged making the slide and needle inoperable.

Air-Pressure (Two-stroke engine only)
Air-Pressure STC occurs when there is an air pressure leak somewhere between the carburetor and the cylinder, and that includes the reed valve & manifold. crankcase, and crankshaft seals. The crankcase of a two-stroke engine is sealed and works as a pump. Leaks can occur at places like the rubber intake manifold and gasket surface, dry rotted cracks in the rubber, cracks in the reed valve or cylinder, gasket leaks at the reed valve and cylinder base, cracks or holes in the crankcase, and worn crankshaft seals.
Air leaking in can cause the engine to run lean and get hot. This is a common cause of piston seizures. Here are some other examples.
Examples: The engine idles erratic; rpm won’t fall to idle when the throttle is shut, engine bogs badly when accelerating abruptly, and the engine pings in mid range and pops on top end. Another common cause is when the engine runs out of fuel, causing a momentary lean condition followed by the engine shutting off.

Auto-Ignition
Auto-Ignition STC can occur on an engine that suffers from pre-ignition. That means a point (other that the spark plug) in the combustion chamber with a temperature high enough to ignite fuel air mixture. Once this STC starts it can’t be controlled with the throttle or kill-button.
Example: Air-pressure leaks can lead to auto-ignition STC. Low crankcase pressure causes the engine to run lean and hot. Raw fuel gets trapped in the bottom of the crankcase. If the piston crown hits the melting temperature of 1100F it could form an ignition source and fuel gets drawn up from the crankcases and the engine revs until a catastrophic mechanical failure stops the engine.

Why the Kill-Button Won’t Work?
If you’ve ever experienced a bike with STC your first reaction may have been to push the kill-button, and perhaps it worked. But were you ever surprised when it had no affect? Its possible and here’s why. The kill-button interrupts the ground to the igniter box. But when the engine is revving so high there is significant energy flowing through the box and electricity will arc to the point of least resistance. A common cause of an alternate ground path is when anti-freeze is spilled around the igniter box to the frame. The filler cap and overflow vent tube are located close to the igniter box on most bike. It’s easy for overspill to splash the initer box and frame.

Ways to Kill an Engine
When an engine suffers from STC, there are three ways to kill the engine with spark, fuel, and load. The kill button should end the spark but if it doesn’t work then the next easiest thing to do is lock up the rear and front brakes in order to apply a load to the engine. The third method works on engines with air-pressure and auto-ignition STC, engage the carb’s choke mechanism. Its like the song by David Bowie says, “putting out fire with gasoline”. A rich mixture will saturate the combustion chamber and lower the temperature, and reduce the available space for air to mix with in order to sustain ignition.

Comments on the Yamaha Case
In the recent case where a judgment was made against Yamaha on a 1996 YZ125, the plaintiff claimed that the throttle stuck due to peeling of the hard chrome coating on the carb’s throttle slide. This is a mechanical STC with a slide damaged from abrasives causing seizure to the carb’s throttle slide bore. The plaintiff claimed that it was an adhesion failure of the hard chrome, which violated Japanese industrial standards.

If you think about it, there are two possible ways that the hard chrome plating can suffer from peeling adhesion. Peeling is a shearing action that causes an adhesion failure of a coating. Two ways to for the plating to peel are from abrasive media like dirt passing through the filter and a faulty pre-treatment during the electrolytic plating process.

Regarding this case and the problem of STC, the lesson for us is that the throttle responded in a certain way prior to the crash. If you can distinguish the three different STCs and their symptoms, you can possibly avoid a crash by shutting your bike off and fixing the problem.

Tips for Checking Your Bike’s Throttle Slide
If you’re concerned that the throttle slide in your bike may be sticking, check it like this. Remove the throttle slide from the top of the carb. Visually examine it for dirt or sand. This is the most common cause of a stuck slide. Look for vertical scratches in the slide face. Those scratches are wear patterns from dirt that became wedged between the slide and slide bore. To examine the slide for chrome peeling, look for jagged spots of discoloration in the surface of the slide. When the chrome chips, the base metal aluminum is more gray and dull than the chrome finish. Some slides are coated with a dry film lubricant that is black in color. When the color changes from black to gray, that indicates wear. If any slide has peeling from dirt of chrome damage, replace it rather that try to repair it. Also take care to polish and clean the carb’s throttle slide bore. If the new slide still binds or rattles with too much clearance, then replace the carb too.

Conclusion
If you have any questions about STC or you want to correct, clarify, or comment on anything in this article, please post it under this thread on DRN.
 

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Thanks for the important post eric!:)

I have a 2001 yam, but since i bought used i dont know if the pulley had been replaced or not, so i still need to figure getting the extra pulley. I went to a aluminium throttle tube but even with constant adjustment i never really feel "confident". there was also a post a few weeks ago with 2002 yams having the sticking issue, however these are supposed to be OK. I will fork out the $30-40 for a new aftermarket throttle in the next few weeks so i can get away from the paranoia with the yam throttle!

BC
 

bwalker

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Eric, Funny you mentioned the kill switch not working ina stuck throttle situation. I was going to call you about it this week. My af's throttle stuck wide open last weekend. Kill switch did not have any effect so I had to use the choke to shut it down. I traced the cause of the sticking back to dirt between the throttle tube and the handle bar. The dirt was probaly a result of one of my dimounts. ;) BTW a 5 hunny screamiong wide open is avery scarry proposition.
 

rickyd

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Years ago i used to work at a watercraft shop, when i encountered an air leak, i would plug up the exhaust.. Hopefully you will have a rag or a glove too use so you don't burn up your hand.. Hope this helps..
Rick
 

bwalker

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. But were you ever surprised when it had no affect? Its possible and here’s why. The kill-button interrupts the ground to the igniter box. But when the engine is revving so high there is significant energy flowing through the box and electricity will arc to the point of least resistance.
Sigar, This describes to a tee what happened to my bike. I have verified that I do not have any air leaks via a leak down test and my slide is in pristine shape. The culprit in my case was definantly dirt in the throttle tube. I doubt it would have happened had Honda not left a hole in the end of the plastic tube.
 

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is it possible that a sharp edge on the spark plug could get hot enough to cause ignition? Steel has a much slower rate of heat transfer compared to aluminum, so edges would tend to say hot. It would start glowing at about 1100 F. I believe this is part of the reason sharp edges are removed during port jobs on cast iron cylinder heads
 
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1999RM125

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lol, i ran out of gas and it revved real fast and the kill switch didnt work so i dumped the clutch in 2nd(from a standstill) and stalled it, filled it up and it runs fine now(with exeption of the tranny) hey dirtryder, how do you like the DG pipe on your bike?
 

TechKid

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alot of times when your racing on the track, you dont have time to thionk about this stuff.The first thing you should do is PULL IN THE CLUTCH.It will rev like hell but you wont go anywhere.SHut it down with the clutch pulled in.
 

bwalker

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It will rev like hell
I can second that.


is it possible that a sharp edge on the spark plug could get hot enough to cause ignition?
Sure, but you still need a mechanical condition to provide the fuel. I thought mine had a air leak till I checked the throttle tube and found it full of dirt.
 

David Trustrum

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Man! To paraphrase another song “Only in America”

I mean ok you gotta feel sorry for the guy but what a stupid world where you get 24 mil for not maintaining your old bike. :|

Wonder why prices keep getting higher?

Companies have to charge to survive even after ridiculous claims like “oh I got brain damage after jumping off a building & your helmet didn’t save me”. “Oh I broke my leg in the same fall & your helmet still didn’t save me”

Sheesh!


On a funnier note
I remember a friend’s 78 RM125 had the STC. The old round slide carb top had been butchered on so many times it was stripped & it would jump off & the slide jump open WFO. Funny as all heck to watch.

So of course it was fixed & I peered in to inspect & even my 14 yr old brain thought the self tapping screws were a bit Hori-heckie. :silly:
 

yoshi

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Thanks Eric for discussing this topic,
i had a cr250/91 with a way too lean pilotjet that gave me 6 month too call myself an idiot. it had slight engine run-on before (every)cornering and that famous last lap, running out of fuel was probably the last ingredient. no air leak, slide ok etc.
 

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Good topic Eric. It's amazing how many bikes are so poorly maintained. Just a few minutes brfore each ride to check things out can save you a lot of greif later.

It's always a good idea before each ride to twist the throttle and let it snap back. If it doesn't return quickly and you don't hear the slide bottoming out in the carb then DON'T start it up. Find out why and fix it.
 

EricGorr

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David, your comment about only in America speaks volumes about our culture and our legal system which refuses to entertain the idea that some law suits are frivalous, and a change to the system that they have in the UK and perhaps your country. Over here the rich lawyers are personal injury specialists, then they become politicians and protect their industry.

The sad ironic fact is that most people who sue insurance companies never had insurance to start with and they need somebody to pick up the tab for their medical bills and disability costs.

The significant thing about this trial and judgement is that it sets a paradigm for which pending or current lawsuits can be negotiated upon. Yamaha focused on the variable of rider skill, rather than target all the possible causes of STC including the most obvious, a dirty air filter. But American juries often sympathize with the lowest common denominators in our society.

There are people in America who sensationalize law suits like this, and you bet theres a wave of suits in process for the silliest things you can imagine. In the past 3 years there is a dramatic rise in new people coming into the sport. Combine that with this trend that "somebody else should pay" and you get a chaotic marketing situation.

About 10 years ago we saw this hysterical wave set upon the ATV business, fueled by sensational news programs. Law suits and judgements nearly killed that industry with government regulations and the loss of true performance ATVs from the manufacturers. The personal watercraft industry has similar problems. Dirt bikes are the next group to get targeted by the lawsuit bug. This could lead to extremely high prices for everything. Ever wonder why a carb slide is $90? Its a cheap die-cast part with a flash of chrome it couldn't cost that must to produce. The cost to produce it is probably 50 cents and $89.50 for the insurance policy tied to each part!

I see examples of this periodically in my little mail-order service business. The typical problem goes like this: A guy runs his small bore dirt bike engine for months after a performance rebuild without any thought of servicing the top end. Then when it blows up he calls me and demands all new parts, money for his buddy to do the mechanical work, and a little something extra for the effort. People threaten the words lawsuit expecting me to rip wads of cash out of my pocket in fear but it doesn't work that way. Things break for a lot of reasons, in my warranty program I'll give the guy the benefit of the doubt and evaluate the parts with an emphasis on determining the original failure and trying to solve that for the guy. I even have a reduced price warranty for guys who don't get the circlips in right, or forget to add coolant or oil their filter. As long as people are honest with me I'll go the extra mile for them. But in America the threats of law suits or dissing on the Internet are popular things to wave in a business owners face.

The fact is the only companies that get sued for product liability suits are ones with product liability insurance policies. Personal injury lawyers won't spend a minute of time going after a business with no insurance. Big companies all have these types of insurance policies and when someone gets injured their lawyers get a list of every aftermarket product or service performed to the motorcycle, every piece of protective gear the rider was wearing, and starts to sort out which companies have insurance and how to include them in a claim.

If the jury in the O'Brien vs. Yamaha case had just said, sorry dude, you messed up because you didn't have the riding skill and experience to handle yourself in the dangerous situation of double-jumping a bike with erratic throttle response. That paradigm would've sent a signal to personal injury lawyers that the American public thinks dirt biking is dangerous and people need to think for themselves. But instead they opened a flood gate :ugg:
 

YZ Joust

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I was going to say pull in the clutch also..... Easy to rebuild the bike than to rebuild/rehab yourself....
 

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Sometimes you cant pull the clutch in because the acceleration transfers all your weight to your arms and you cant do anything but hold on or roll off the back-its not nice and luckily i was saved by a chesnut fencing.
 

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Ive noticed eric has many nice things to say about the UK in his posts......i hope its not the warm beer and curry talking eric!:)
 

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Originally posted by EricGorr
The fact is the only companies that get sued for product liability suits are ones with product liability insurance policies. Personal injury lawyers won't spend a minute of time going after a business with no insurance. Big companies all have these types of insurance policies and when someone gets injured their lawyers get a list of every aftermarket product or service performed to the motorcycle, every piece of protective gear the rider was wearing, and starts to sort out which companies have insurance and how to include them in a claim.

This is commonly referred to as "Deep pockets", and you are correct, they will always attack those with the cash first...but, it doesn't mean they will leave those without alone...it just may take a while for them to get to you (not meaning you in particular Eric).

You make an excellent point about the costs of insurance being related to there type of suits. An example is a Canadian manufacturer, making a product as simple as, say fresh fish (not that they actually make them, but rather the processer). If the product is sold in Canada his premium rate will be $x, if the same processor sells into the US, premium will double and usually triple. People tend to forget that nothing is free, and that the cost of all these suits is passed down to each and everyone of us in everything we buy or do.

I am forced to deal with this stuff every day as I work for a major insurance company (don't shoot....) on the Loss Control side (trying to prevent losses, before they happen), and have to constantly remind clients of the risks involved with liability. By the way, if you don't have products liability coverage, the loss is "often" picked up under your general liability (at least in Canada).
 

Einstein

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This just shows how much of a "it's not my fault, but YOUR fault" society we live in. Whatever the problem is there is always someone else to blame. Just take the warning on coffee saying it "may be hot"....really :confused:
 

David Trustrum

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Yeah, over here in New Zealand we have ACC -which is accident compensation corporation which is a govt run entity to care for people who have accidents. Medical treatment in public hospitals is free or close to & you can’t be going suing anybody for that sort of carry on.

It has been in existence for some time & is expensive & prone to a bit of fraud, but I believe a far better, fairer system than “I’ll sue yer ass” where the lawyers are the real winners & the legal system is bogged down with litigation.

Sadly moves are afoot to change the system & we may end up with a similar system & public liability insurance is making running events prohibitively expensive.

Oh well enjoy it while it is here, we really are living in the best times.
 

Jasle

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Originally posted by marcusgunby
Sometimes you cant pull the clutch in because the acceleration transfers all your weight to your arms and you cant do anything but hold on or roll off the back-its not nice and luckily i was saved by a chesnut fencing.

Shouldn't you always have at least one finger on the clutch? Also good idea to have one on the front brake. At least that what Gary Semnics says in his videos.
Next thing you know they will start making us have thumb throttles on our bikes? First time I rode my buddies quad I was like WTF? How the heck do you ride with this crap. Never rode it again.
 

kciH

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Jasle,
The thumb throttles used on quads, snowmobiles and jet skis are on there becase you have to turn the handle bars on these machines to drive them, which causes some people to increase/decrease the throttle when turning in either direction, where on a motorcycle you lean to turn instead of actually turning the bars very much.

We need torte reform. The tobacco companies where sued by people who smoked forever, even though it is common knowledge that smoking kills you. In this instance they based it on the fact that the tobacco companies tried to cover up the fact that it can make you sick if you use cigarettes. The government then stepped in and sued the companies also. The same group of lawyers have tried to hold firearms mfgs responsible for people misusing firearms. This effort has been defeated for the most part because the mfgs formed an alliance and fought the lawyers as a group instead of being bankrupted by legal fees indiviually. The next big step is going to be suing all of the fast food chains for harming peoples health. The groundwork has already been laid with all of the obesity studies and the changing of what constitutes being obese recently. There is a movement afoot to tax fast food and beef, over and above sales tax, for the "damage it is causing society" in health care related expenses. There is no end in sight to this nonsense. It makes the argument to keep government out of providing any service that they can charge additional taxes over. If we get national health care, you will see this being applied to many things, including our sport. We are already seeing insurance companies trying to shaft us on health coverage if we have an accident on a dirt bike.
 
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