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Message: [QUOTE="Matt Fisher, post: 1218962, member: 30255"] All the engine noise from the Dale's masks the muffler's output. :laugh: Either that, or they're really quiet because they seem to be in "broken" mode quite often. My buddy's Cannondale quad is quite loud. Of course, he's spent cubic dollars fixing it and making it really fast. When it was nearly stock, I don't remember it being as quiet as my modded 440EX with a WB disk exhaust, but nor do I remember it being overly loud. Unless the OEM's are going to start using car technology and tuning the intake for noise reduction, I don't see where a butterfly plate is somehow going to create any less noise than a flat slide carb. [/QUOTE]