Any LEO/SpecOp types here? Question.

[TrackBall]

Last year I made the decision to trust my life on the street to Second Chance body armor. I got the level IIa because it stops the most rounds. plus I got the Trauma Plate for the front.

What scares me is that, although I can fit an extra trauma plate in the front, I cannot fit a second one in back. As of late I have taken to duct-taping a second trauma plate to the area of my back where the heart and vital organs are located. Then I put my vest on.

Here is the questions. The ducttape solution, although tactically sound, is hot and painful to remove. I would like to go to the single-plate solution in back. What I am worried about is repeated hits to that area with .308 ammunition. I have a high-risk security job and I fear that I would be the target for repeated long-distance shots to my back.

Are any of you aware of a thicker plate that could stop, say, .338 Lapua or something like that? Is there a better way to do the second plate?

BTW, I am, of course, usually carrying a pair of ceramic plates in my briefcase so that I can shield my head. My SO (we work as a team when necessary) has a similar accessory containing a breakdown NEF single-shot 300 WinMag with an 18" bbl. The plan is that I shield us with my body and “catch the rounds” while she assembles the NEF. I lay down covering fire with my 23 (Bar-Sto .357 Sig barrel) and she makes the long shots. I will then throw smoke grenades to obscure the area while continuing to lay covering fire. The problem, of course, is when I have to turn my back to run, and then the problem crops up.

Thanks!

 

[Patman]

That Cooperland red mud is pretty tough stuff, maybe a few layers of it. :)

If somebody with a .338 is going to shoot you in the back why not be worried about a head shot?

 

[Patman]

Might want to check this out as well http://www.snipercentral.com/338.htm not exactly what you want to read I'm sure.

 

[TrackBall]

Not funny. I haev riddin at Cooperland, but Im asking a serious question. If you are not LEO, please move along.

I am in a high-risk job. It is not the Mall of America, but Ill tell you what its no podunk mall either.I am a responsible citizen who has made the choice to carry at all times. I defend others. If something happens at the Mall then I would be the hero, not those of you who are making fun of me for no reason. Yes Im not a Green Beret but guess what neither are you and unlike you I have to face unruly shoppers every day.My REAL problem is that, like any LEO, I have enemies because of my job. They may have access to high-powered rifles. My job starts and ends at the same time every day. Although I use four rotating routes to drive to and from work, I am still vulnerable during the walk to and from my car. This is the time that I load up on the trauma plates because I DO NOT WANT TO BE SHOT DEAD!Also, someone said that my Tac Team doesn’t get training. Not true. We meet at the range every night and shoot 400 rounds each through weapons that closely resemble our duty setup. We also practice unarmed combat. I am a Master of three martial arts including ninjitsu, which means I can wear the special boots to climb walls. I don’t think any of you are working as hard as I am to be prepared. I asked a serious question about tactical armor and I wanted a serious response. If you want to laugh at somebody, try laughing at the sheep out there who go to the mall unarmed trusting in me to stand guiard over their lives like a God.

 

[IndyMX]

Huh.. so far I've never been shot at in my line of work.. I guess a career change isn't in order!

 

[IndyMX]

Not funny. I haev riddin at Cooperland, but Im asking a serious question. If you are not LEO, please move along.

I am in a high-risk job. It is not the Mall of America, but Ill tell you what its no podunk mall either.I am a responsible citizen who has made the choice to carry at all times. I defend others. If something happens at the Mall then I would be the hero, not those of you who are making fun of me for no reason. Yes Im not a Green Beret but guess what neither are you and unlike you I have to face unruly shoppers every day.My REAL problem is that, like any LEO, I have enemies because of my job. They may have access to high-powered rifles. My job starts and ends at the same time every day. Although I use four rotating routes to drive to and from work, I am still vulnerable during the walk to and from my car. This is the time that I load up on the trauma plates because I DO NOT WANT TO BE SHOT DEAD!Also, someone said that my Tac Team doesn’t get training. Not true. We meet at the range every night and shoot 400 rounds each through weapons that closely resemble our duty setup. We also practice unarmed combat. I am a Master of three martial arts including ninjitsu, which means I can wear the special boots to climb walls. I don’t think any of you are working as hard as I am to be prepared. I asked a serious question about tactical armor and I wanted a serious response. If you want to laugh at somebody, try laughing at the sheep out there who go to the mall unarmed trusting in me to stand guiard over their lives like a God.

Wow.. and I almost started to take you seriously.. Good thing my Bovine Fecal Matter detector is working. Good one though.

 

[TrackBall]

Wow.. and I almost started to take you seriously.. Good thing my Bovine Fecal Matter detector is working. Good one though.

Im the liutenant of a 3 man Rapid Tactical Force Team, in one of the nation’s largest indoor retail shopping centers. My job job is to defend and protect the lives of the many shoppers who currently vist this center, and in my line of work you cannot be too careful.

 

[truespode]

I can't wait to see the new Kevin James movie!

Ivan

 

[Patman]

Not funny. I haev riddin at Cooperland, but Im asking a serious question. If you are not LEO, please move along.

:laugh: :laugh: Are you SERIOUS?! You are asking these types of questions on a DIRT BIKE site and then get all lathered up when you don't get the lock and load answer you want.

 

[IndyMX]

:laugh: :laugh: Are you SERIOUS?! You are asking these types of questions on a DIRT BIKE site and then get all lathered up when you don't get the lock and load answer you want.

Don't get sucked in Patman.. He's obviously screwin with us. What with the Kevin James movie coming out and all..

 

[TrackBall]

Listen, I don’t expect you civilians to understand the situation.

This is not a fantasy, it is myjob, this is the real wolrd of CQB. I can hack it, can you, I do not think so, and your attempt to make fun of me is lame and childish.

 

[Patman]

I don't know Indy, them mall cops are all pretty serious types. Got keep them pre-teens in check and you never know when some kid on a skate board will have a .338 Lapua in his backpack just waiting behind a bush ready to strike.

 

[IndyMX]

I don't know Indy, them mall cops are all pretty serious types. Got keep them pre-teens in check and you never know when some kid on a skate board will have a .338 Lapua in his backpack just waiting behind a bush ready to strike.

I don't shop at malls..

 

[Patman]

BTW don't you look kind of obvious walking around with a briefcase around your head? Or did you mean your reflexes are so fast that when you hear the trigger start to pull you can pop up your case for protection? Come on us sheep really want to know so we can be better prepared. :laugh:

Then again maybe some of us are just wearing sheeps clothing. :p

 

[TrackBall]

pre-teens in check and you never know when some kid on a skate board will have a .338 Lapua in his backpack

you have no idea what goes on.

If a kid picks up a candy bar and runs, you give him a warning before you cuff him. Same with those mindless teenyboppers who go to the Hickory Farms store, and then take double samples of fruitcake and cheeselog, you warn them that they will be charged with a felony(grand theft), and that if they attempt to fight and run, they will be, unfortunately, first tazered, and if they continue to resist violently with intent to maim, then wounded. Fortunately, wounding fire to suppress teenage kleptomaniacs is relatively easy, they all run in straight lines, and a hit in the knee will be relatively simple from the second floor. But they all get a warning first, we do not simply shoot shoplifters unless they resist violently. Buttstroking those who attempt to injure me is another story. Consider this your warning, HKsissy, because we’ll aim for center if you get dangerous or violent on our patrols. You do not understand how difficult our job is, or you would be grateful for this warning you have been given-whether you are on SPECOPS’s turf, or on mine, you will not repeat not act up with iniquity.

 

[Patman]

Well that sure didn't last long :(

 

[IndyMX]

it must be the cold weather that causes this sort of thing..;)

 

[Patman]

I think riding without a helmet might contribute as well as ATV's.

 

[IndyMX]

HA! No doubt.

 

[TrackBall]

Thanks to everybody for the help. I am now thinking that the best thing to do is to have my wife make an “undervest” with pouches front and rear for the additional plates. This would let me have three plates in front (probably too hot and two in back. What I’m also asking her to do is to sew in a sleeve for an ASP collapsible baton. Right now I’m taping the ASP to my right calf (the left calf is where I have my G27).It’s okay for me to talk about my job, as long as I’m not specific. I am the Sergeant of a three-man Rapid Tactical Force at one of America’s largest indoor retail shopping areas. [And here the myth begins”] Although there are typically between fifteen and twenty normal security officers working the beat there, we decided a while ago that it would be best to have a specilized force for violent individuals. We use modified electric vehicles and can be anywhere on a given floor within eight and a half minutes.Naturally, the regular security people are unarmed. We “RTFers”, by arrangement with the local police, carry high-strength OC spray and batons. If we have a full tactical alert and permission from the local LEOs we also have a Mossberg 500 with less-lethal rounds and two K-frame Smith .38s loaded with 158gr. LRN.Basically, the situation is that we get the call, we lock up the situation, put everything five by five, and cordon the area until the local authorities arrive. We’re cops, we just don’t get the glory. [Somehow, I imagine the real police wouldn’t agree”]I am not permitted to carry Glocks on duty; however, when my wife picks me up from work I strap on the “Deadly Duo” of a 27 and 23, each with Bar-Sto .357 bbl.I am writing a proposal to replace our current Mossberg-Smith armament with the following:

3) MP5K-PDW with red-dot sights;
2) G36 rifles using SS109 rounds;
3) Glock practical tacticles in .357 Sig
1) PSG-1 using Fed Gold Medal .308
1) Starlight scope for the PSG-1 in case we lose power in the building.
3) Glock 27 backup guns
3) Kahr P-9 holdouts
I think this would make us capable of facing nearly any situation. I’ll let you know what the management says!!!

 

[Okiewan]

I think this would make us capable of facing nearly any situation. I’ll let you know what the management says!!!

Awesome! Please do.

 

[_JOE_]

BTW don't you look kind of obvious walking around with a briefcase around your head? Or did you mean your reflexes are so fast that when you hear the trigger start to pull you can pop up your case for protection? Come on us sheep really want to know so we can be better prepared. :laugh:

Then again maybe some of us are just wearing sheeps clothing. :p

:rotfl:

Good thread. :)

 

[flyingfuzzball]

i hope this guy isnt serious.

I have enemies because of my job. I have to face unruly shoppers every day. They may have access to high-powered rifles.

i may never go to the mall again!





that is without my 4 kevlar vests and an armed security detail!

 

[Rich Rohrich]

Maybe work the bugs out of your act during open mic night at the Giggle Hut before going public with it next time.

Don't quit your day job.

 

[Patman]

Im the liutenant of a 3 man Rapid Tactical Force Team,...

I am the Sergeant of a three-man Rapid Tactical Force

Lost your comission eh? Not too suprising. :laugh: