My son's 05' CRF 450 intake's went to the smallest shim and couldn't get clearance. I had called two Honda tech's and they both said they just replace the Titanium valves with no seat grinding. I did that but they lasted a month, they had the same cupping as the originals. After that I figured I just a get a new 06' head ($260.00) and OEM valves/ springs , at my dealer suggestion I had the seats done at their shop with their new Honda grinding tool. His mechanic messed it up or couldn't get it or whatever so I bought the new head after all. After a few rides they're at spec, just like my 06' 450. So long story short, get the seats done when you get new valves, OEM or Kibblewhite. I'll send the old head in for new seats and Kibblewhite valves for a spare. Only problem is the Kibblewhite springs are expensive!