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Message: [QUOTE="AJ Waggoner, post: 161287, member: 16665"] IMHO - the important question in this thread is WHERE do you think the hype is coming from? not from Honda..they have fairly straight forward marketing as any manufactuer would a new model. Not from the Magz they havnt said much about it really.. at least in comparison to the huge Cannondale hype and the YZF 400 hype of the past? So that leaves the "hype" coming from the consumers! seems now you have to ask yourself 'WHY"? are "they" not happy with the current mx 4 strokes? and so highly anticipate any new model or change? could be lots of reasons ,but seems a parculiar reaction. On the alum /steel frame material debate within this thread.. sheeesh... i really enjoy riders pointing out alum frame design flaws. EVERY Jap manufactuer makes thier Super bikes or serious road race GP bikes based on perimiter aluminum frames.. pretty interesting for such a flawed material to base thier bike designs off of? LOL the comments above about the aluminum thickness having to be greater and therefor off-set the weight savings over steel is interesting!!!! If this was true --- Im fairly CERTAIN we would see comericial airliners made of steel..since the cost to build the plane from the MUCH cheaper material would be substantial per unit. Regardless Honda did NOT go to alum frames to just save weight. Just as Suzuki, Yam ,Kaw dint go to alum frames on thier GP sport bikes to just save weight. They all went that direction ( long ago) because it was viewed by ALL to be a better material (in a given price range,AND strength to weight ratio ) for designing a motorcycle frame that needed to resist flexing under extreem cornering loads. Bwalker - you have an EXCELLENT point- if the energy was spent on lightening up a current CR250 that has been spent on the 450f we would have a 190 pound stock oem 250. anybody notice how the 125 250 and 450f share the same basic frame/chassis? notice how THIS year the hubs ...brake calipers etc are all significantly lighter than past years to pair down the 450fs weight? at least the 125 and 250 benefit some by sharing those new lightner parts but its a shame as this could have been addresed almost 10 years ago!!! ( those parts have been the same forever on the CRs) and the '2 stroke" bikes are indeed lighter this model year...a good thing but it still urks me it wasnt done for those models but to curb the diesel pigs weight..lol :think I have to big to differ on the 97 98 99 verses 00 frames not being much different in handling ..They ARE and I can feel the diffrence and im way slower than windham. ;) ( a side note is i dont think its all in the frame , it certainly is partly suspension but there is a frame change you can feel nonethe less) [/QUOTE]

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