robwbright

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I was disappointed to find that Floyd has/had apparently been taking injections of testosterone. However, I do find this alternative view of the situation interesting and in some ways refreshing - many are doping in cycling (and other sports) as one can see from baseball and the 3 riders disqualified prior to the race:

http://www.reason.com/sullum/080206.shtml

Coping With Doping
If it's allowed, it's not cheating.
Jacob Sullum

After winning the Tour de France, Floyd Landis was hailed as an American hero who epitomized all that is good and glorious about cycling. A few days later, when it was announced that a urine test he took during the tour had revealed a suspiciously high ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone, he was condemned as a cheater who had disgraced the sport, perhaps ruining it forever.

Testosterone is powerful stuff, causing outbursts of anger and anxiety in people who have not even taken it. The antidote for those reactions is not a renewed commitment to drug-free sports but the acceptance of steroids as one of many tools athletes use to enhance their performance.

First let me state the obvious: Cheating is wrong. If you agree to follow certain rules, no matter how arbitrary or silly they may be, you should follow them.

Yet if you believe no one else follows them--an impression reinforced by the very sportswriters who bemoan the ubiquity of performance-enhancing drugs--the temptation not to be the only chump who does is strong. Furthermore, widespread violation of the rules, despite testing and severe sanctions, casts doubt on their wisdom.

The rules' supporters seem to think steroid use and other banned methods fundamentally change an athletic contest. "We have signed a television contract for a sports event and not for a display of the performance of pharmaceuticals," said the editor in chief of the German TV network ZDF, threatening to drop coverage of the Tour de France in response to the Landis scandal.

That over-the-top reaction, typical of the angry, hurt tone that pervades commentary about once-admired athletes implicated in doping, grossly exaggerates the power of performance-enhancing drugs. Testosterone, for example, helps build muscle and hasten recovery during training; but as an expert on the hormone told The New York Times, "no one has been able to show clearly that testosterone improves endurance" during a competition.

Landis may have believed a short-term testosterone boost would help him win one of the world's most grueling athletic contests. But it probably had little or no effect on his performance in Stage 17, when he climbed from 11th to third place, gritting his teeth through the pain caused by a degenerative hip condition.

To judge from some of the hand wringing over Landis' test results, however, any cyclist could have done just as well, given the right dose of testosterone. New York Times sports columnist Bill Rhoden, who called Landis' performance "an exhilarating exhibition of strength, speed, ingenuity and heart," simultaneously worried that "everything we think we see" in athletics "is little more than a sports mirage."

Suppose Landis was telling the truth when he claimed he had naturally high testosterone levels, and suppose this characteristic gave him a competitive edge. Would that render his amazing accomplishment a "mirage"? Obviously not, unless an athlete's innate talent also gives him an unfair advantage and makes him a fake.

To see how untenable the natural/artificial distinction is, consider altitude tents and rooms, which simulate the low-oxygen environment of high elevations in an attempt to improve endurance by spurring the production of red blood cells. The World Anti-Doping Association is considering a ban on this widely used technique, which its ethics committee deems contrary to "the spirit of sport."

If performance-enhancing drugs violate "the spirit of sport," it' hard to see why performance-enhancing rooms don't. If anything, they're even less natural than steroids. Yet banning high-altitude simulations arguably would make contests less fair, giving an advantage to athletes who happen to live at high elevations or who can afford to move there.

Athletes use all sorts of technology to improve their fitness and performance, ranging from multivitamins to weight machines, and they are properly judged by how well they use them. Instead of arbitrarily prohibiting certain techniques, why not level the playing field by repealing the prohibitions?
 

Okiewan

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Has the confirmation test come back yet? Until then, I'm not jumping to conclusions.
 

kiwijohn

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Having been involved in cycling and weight lifting in the past I can tell you drug use is rampant in sport... wether you like itor not. The worst would probably have to be sprinting, cycling and weightlifting... unless you call bodybuilding a sport? The tour has a terrible history of drug use, and testosterone is only one of the mix.

People forget how many riders died from plain old heart attacks in the past due to Beta-blockers effect on keeping heart rates low. But riders also died from heart attacks way back in the 60's too... were they on drugs? Maybe? The strain probably killed them.... it's a tough event, and these guys seem to be getting faster every year...

Cyclists and sports folk use cocktails of designer drugs and tricks; blood doping, IV supplied oxygenated blood, beta-blockers, fake samples, rotations of different drugs to minimise side effects and stave off the drop in gains from getting "used to" the drugs, injecting 'clean urine" into the bladder... you name it. The hot drug of choice is HGH which is human growth hormone and can't be detected. (very easily) so science will always look for a way to win without getting caught cheating. Floyd (probably ) got caught. DOes that make him a terrible person? Naaah, he's just competitive.

It's just the human way.... I remember reading an article in a medical journal regarding steriod use and 15 % of the athletes interviewed said they'd risk death to be number one....." "I have to win, and I'll do what ever it takes" Man that's scary!

I'd wager half the field were on some sort of "helper". But does that mean if they're all doing it then the playing field is even again? I dunno about that.... well maybe.

So has sport become a test of who has the best lab/doctor?

Time will tell.

Anyway, when you look into Floyds eyes does he look lilke a guy who's been caught? or a man who will stop at nothing to clear his good name?...... hmmmm good question......


John

PS New Zealand is too poor to afford the real good steriods! That's why we can't get any golds !! ha ha
 

geraldo

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Well how could a person who was on his way to winning the tour drop to 11th and considered to be out of contention after a mountain leg, and then on the next stage or two he is set to win it.
 

kiwijohn

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Not sure what you mean, but there's a lot involved in winning the tour, but you could look at it in a couple of ways I guess.

Steroids generally don't produce instant effects, they take a few weeks to really get going as your body stops cuts down on production of it's own testosterone and lets the synthetic one take over...(Thats why steroid takers start to lose their nuts! That's where you produce yor own test), but there are tons of other stilmulants that give instant results and disappear quickly. So he could have been given a short term boost or his team could have pushed themselves to the brink of exhaustion to put him at the front....

Or maybe a combination? Who will ever know?

I guess I was trying to say that the pressure to win (especially after Lance's wins) would be huge. Sponsors want results, the whole country is watching etc... so the pressure to perform at whatever cost is a real problem.

If someone told you they could increase your strength on a MX bike by 40% by taking juice, and make you the outdoor champ... would you think about it?

Now imagine your competitors are users... then how would you feel? See what I mean?

It's a terrible world we live in..... thankfully the sane people ride dirt bikes! :ride:
 
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