jumping tabletops

99cr250 · Dec 27, 2001

I have a 99 Cr 250. I notice that certain table tops at a local track give me problems. Sometimes in the air the The front end of my bikes comes up way to high, like a wheelie. What should i do different?

crkid · Dec 27, 2001

you just have to practice at those jumps a little more, maybe give it a little less throttle on the lip. if that doesn't help hit the rear brakes in air (make sure you pull in the clutch first though) otherwise it could be a disaster.

High Lord Gomer · Dec 28, 2001

I would suggest getting farther forward on the bike during takeoff. That way when you get into the air and return to a more neutral osition, you will level the bike off more.

roostinbe · Dec 28, 2001

Just in addition to what has already been said... Be careful to accelerate smooth/consistantly all the way off of the launch, wrather than chopping the throttle, or grabbing an unnecessarily large handful of it.

jboomer · Jan 5, 2002

Look at the face of the jump more closely and see if you are hitting a lip or something that is altering the flight of the bike when you first become airborne. You'll have to practice hitting these lips if you race. Most people avoid them, but if you're not afraid to hit them at race pace, you may be able to use lines usually avoided and aide in passing other riders.;)

yardpro · Jan 5, 2002

good advise but i don't think it applies to his problem. generally a lip or kicker will kick the rear end upwards, the opposite of the problem he is having. It seems that he is either too far back or accelerating hard off the face . the less the face angle the more the bike stands up when accelerating off the face.

High Lord Gomer · Jan 5, 2002

... off the face ... less the face ... accelerating off the face

With his apparent obsession about riding on people's faces, I'm not too sure I really want to ride with YardPoo. :o

Jeff Gilbert · Jan 5, 2002

Just a thought

Are you sitting or standing on your approach and flight?

yardpro · Jan 5, 2002

With his apparent obsession about riding on people's faces, I'm not too sure I really want to ride with YardPoo.

hey goober, isn'y it better than an obsession with the other end?:uh:

Ricey@KTM · Jan 6, 2002

good pointers, ive been having the same problem

i tried getting the weight more over the bars and it works a treat

good tip :D

High Lord Gomer · Jan 7, 2002

...isn't it better than an obsession with...

You say that like it's a bad thing... :scream:

yardpro · Jan 7, 2002

only when it's yours in a pink tu tu

motojunkie · Jan 8, 2002

I found that I have the same problem if I hold on with the "death grip" or I'm starting to get arm pump. In both cases you're essentially pulling back on the bars which is great for traction, but not for jumping. My advice is to relax. Stay relaxed with a loose grip while approaching the jump, and while in the air. Just tighten you grip a little before you land. This will help with your jumping, and arm pump.

MikeT · Jan 9, 2002

The most important thing that was only mentioned subtily inthis post by Gomer, was body position. I think that the MOST important thing is what position your body is in when you take off. You need to be able to read your front number plate. If you can't you're too far back. This is a problem I consatntly deal with and need to work on myself.

The Rock · Jan 10, 2002

im currently having the same problem. We have a 60 foot tabletop that when im in flight... i always land on my rear tire...

I watch my friend that does it perfectly everytime and he is also wheeling in the air some of the time.. but the difference is that he has great control on his "controls". In other words... by applying the clutch and brake he corrects it... or then he gases it right before the landing and lands FLAWLESS!!!

Well I told myself I would practice on the smaller doubles my controls and when I have the tecnics down I will start to launch the 60 footer again. I was doing it before... but everytime I would land it was sheer luck I did not bust my ass.

This last Sunday I did just that. I tried a different higher lip at the same speed and I flew like superman... i cleared the jump by about 10 feet and i landed WAY on the back tire and ATE everything.

Ive not ridden since.. I pulled a ligament on my shoulder and probably wont ride untill Monday or so.

When I was in flight I had enough time to think that the landing was going to hurt and that I was going to drop like a bomb. If I had control of my "controls" I probably could have saved the whole accident. I also need to be a little further up... but even being forward were you are suppose to can put you in the wheelie position when you are in the air... but if you cant correct yourself in the air... your doomed.

Work on smooth throttle control up the jump, head forward... you should be able to look at you number plate, and work on learning to pull in the clutch, tap the rear brake, letting the clutch out and gasing it all in mid air.

I know its not easy taking advise from someone who has not dominated these things... but im convinced this is a big deal.

Rock

yardpro · Jan 10, 2002

i's those darn blue bikes. they fly sooo funy.
as your signature line says blue rips.....ligaments:)

if you can get a feel for takeoff angle/acceleration/forward body position, then you're off to a good start.

a friend got his son leaning forward by putting a wide piece of masking tape on the # plate with a message on it written upside down and backwards.
his son couldn't come off the track until he could tell his dad what it said, and had to maintain his current lap times.
he couldn't look at the plate much while on the ground because he had to concentrate on where he was going. the main place he could peek at it was while in the air. this caused him to lean forward as he left the face of the jump. it corrected his technique in one day, then it was just occasional touch ups.

MikeT · Jan 10, 2002

Originally posted by yardpro
i's those darn blue bikes. they fly sooo funy.

Yard, Are you just being silly or have you heard that from someone else/ The reason I say that is I used to ride with a guy who has a '93 CR250. When I ride my bike "96 YZ125 the nose easily goes high. When I would ride his, it was VERY difficult to get the nose high. I mean I think his bikes centewr of gravity was farther forward.

High Lord Gomer · Jan 10, 2002

He's jerkin yer chain! As a matter of fact, his entire post is fiction...it has to be, them North Cackalacky boyz can't READ!

MikeT · Jan 10, 2002

:confused: :confused: :)

motojunkie · Jan 10, 2002

i always land on my rear tire...

This could be the result of suspension adjustment. Try slowing down the front, or speeding up the rear. I agree that body position is most important, but if your suspension is screwed up, you could be doing everything right, and still landing weird.

yardpro · Jan 10, 2002

don't listen to gomer, he fly'd nose low
nrthcakalaky fell ows kunt spll ithr:)
mike,
probably one of a couple of thing caused that, either the riding position on the cr put you further forward, or you weren't as used to the power of a honda (or any other 250 for that matter):) and didn't gas it off the face ( there goes that face thing again).
Also on the 250 is is easier to build your speed before you hit the jump so yoou're not accelerating as hard when you leave the....... jump
gottcha gomer. nany nany bobo:p

MikeT · Jan 11, 2002

Originally posted by yardpro
Also on the 250 is is easier to build your speed before you hit the jump so yoou're not accelerating as hard when you leave the....... jump
gottcha gomer. nany nany bobo:p

That might be it. Also I was thinking that the 250 engine weighs more and that might move the CG farther forwatd (ya, we'd kint spl). It probably is more of what you said though.

bschoch · Jan 21, 2002

You guys know the drill, the powerband kicks in and snaps the guy back on his heels causing him to lock his arms and pull up on the bike during take-off.

You gotta keep your weight centered on the pegs, head forward and squeeze the bike with your legs to prevent the power from rocking you back on the pegs, thus causing the pull-up.

It's as simple as the theory of relativity...

Hey Gomer, you ride at TNT often? For you poor souls in other States...TNT rocks!

tx246 · Jan 21, 2002

im with motojunkie

suspension controls ie compression and rebound can have a huge effect on flight. if the ramp is fairly steep and fast the forks could be coming back faster than the rear and it will make you front wheel high/happy try slowing the rebound a click or two on the front if the getting the weight forward technique doesnt work

High Lord Gomer · Jan 22, 2002

Hey Gomer, you ride at TNT often?

Sure do! (Well, not in the last 2 months :( )

Most of this year I was on a 2001 CR250, #216 and later #2 6 (after taking the 1 out at a race due to number conflict). My bike is actually a 97 CR, #969. Do you ride there much? What part of SC?

I'm planning on taking the kids out there on Sunday? How about you?

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