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Message: [QUOTE="Philip, post: 1220242, member: 28415"] It seems to me they run as fast as they need to not as fast as the 450 can go. You are saying the 450 is wasted power but thats not necessarily so. BT and Villo were pushing each other harder the last few weeks i.e. their lap times will be low. Most guys look for 10ths of a second on thier competetors, it seems like RC and Bubba seem to finds minutes worth of them when they are really pushing each other. Until they came along I don't think I have ever seen such a gap back to third place. [/QUOTE]