Looking for a recomendation

[Spearo]

Hey everyone. Im brand new to motorcycles. I want to ride on the street, but my parents are understandably against it, our compromise was for me to start in the dirt. Any advice you could give me would be greatly apprecited...keep in mind I know nothing.

1) your physical size (both height and weight are important)
6' 2" ~180lbs
2) How physical / aggressive are you ?
not very aggressive, but I love to drive my car fast!
3) what do you plan to ride- MX/SX tracks, woods, fields with friends or ?????
Mainly open desert riding, trail riding, maybe some trips to pismo (sand dunes)
4) Do you have any riding experience?
no
5) Do you think you will race ?
no
6) Are you mechanically inclined and will you be doing your own bike work?
yes
7) Do YOU have a preferance to a brand/ motor choice (2 or 4 stroke)?
I think I would prefer a 4 stroke, as far as brand I just want reliability without breaking the bank.
8) Do you have a dealer close by your home that you might use and what brand(s) does he carry?
Yes dealers are nearby, that have everything. Im looking to buy a used bike.
9) How much do you plan to spend on a bike?
Under 4 grand, I really dont know how much is reasonable.
10) Do you live in California?
yup, been a member of the PRK all my life
11) anything else that you think would help form an opinion
If something is available that I could make street legal eventually, without sacrificing too much performance off road, that would be a big plus.

Thanks in advance!

 

[2 strokes for life]

The Honda XR400, and XR600 would be a good choice because they are reliable, great desert bikes and you can make them street legal fairly easy. Also, the old Yamaha IT series are great old bikes with lots of power for a fair price.

 

[Blackcat]

Here in cali you can't make those bikes street legal anymore you have to buy one that is street legal already and they cost a lot more. I agree with 2 Strokes on the xr600 and the xr400. They are good bikes for beginers but they are limited to how hard you can offroad them. Also I would look at something that is 2002 and older. Here in california they have a green sticker red sticker thing where the new bikes can't be riden in the summer time cause of smog. Another option would be to get a new dual purpose bike and ride that around.

 

[rmc_olderthandirt]

I guess I am a little confused about wanting a street bike but compromising on a dirt bike. A street bike is transportation, something that has utility. A dirt bike is something you buy for fun.

What you need more than anything else are friends that also have a dirt bike. You really don't want to go out riding by yourself.

As for street legal: There are bikes that are referred to as "dual sport" that are sold as a street legal bike that is also off road capable. The Yamaha XT225 is such a beast, and I know that KTM has some very nice ones as well. You live in California which is perhaps the most restrictive state in the USA as far as street legal registration is concern. Do NOT believe any of the claims of being able to make a dirt bike street legal in California, kits or no kits. It may work in other states but it will NOT work in California.

Not only is California very restrictive for street legal they are also restrictive on dirt bikes. All off road vehicles must be registered in order to ride on any public land. There are two versions of the off road registration: Green Sticker and Red Sticker. Green sticker lets you ride year round. Red sticker restricts your riding, often to just the winter. Since 2003 what has separated Green from Red is the emmission controls that the vehicle has. If you buy a bike that is 2002 or older it will automatically qualify for a green sticker.

While a sticker is legally required to ride just about anywhere in California the enforcement of it is very sparse in the California desert region for the simple reason that there is so much area to cover. If you want to ride in the national forests the enformcenet is much higher. I highly recommend that you buy a bike that has a clean title with the desired "Green sticker". Yo will find a lot of bikes that have been brought in from out of state or for whatever reason have never been properly registered. While it is possible to get the OHV registration it is a hassel, requiring several trips to DMV and at least one to the CHP. Believe me, it is worth a few extra $$$ to get a pink slip!

You will find that there are three types of bikes that you might consider: Dual sport, off road and MX.

As discussed above, dual sport is a street legal bike that has off road capability. To keep it street legal it needs to have street legal tires, which will suck in the desert. The turn signals and mirros suffer a lot when you crash, which happens a lot on a dirt bike. There are a lot of people that enjoy them, however, and there are even competition events that require a dual sport bike to compete.

An "off road" bike are the lower end of the dirt bikes. They will usually have a detuned engine, which makes them easier to start and more reliable. The newer ones will also have the emission controls required for a green sticker in California. They may have headlights, a battery and possibly even electric start. What they lack is the suspension travel that the MX bikes have but if you are not an aggressive rider it may not matter to you.

The MX bikes are all about race. The engines are higher compression and high performance. The suspension will have much more travel. They cost a lot more.

As for the size of the bike: essentially anything 125 cc and above is a full size bike so we are talking engine size only. A 125 two stroke or 250 four stroke has plenty of power to move you around on flat ground and most hills. When you want to climb a really steep hill the smaller engine bikes need a lot more skill to manage.

The sand dunes is one area where bigger is better. Keep in mind that you will want a paddle tire on the back, and that will mean either changing tires or having a spare rim and changing rims.

Since you are just starting out and don't seem to have a firm idea of how you will be using the bike I suggest starting off cheap. Something like a Yamaha TTR-230 is cheap and a lot of fun. Buy one a few years old and you will get it cheap enough that you will have money left over to buy the other gear you need:

Helmet $140
Boots $120
Gloves $ 20
goggles $20
chest protector: $40
knee pads $15
riding pants $50

Tie downs $20
gas can $30

Do you have a truck or trailer to carry your bike around in?

Good luck!
Rod

P.S. Spear fishing, eh? Come north, I'll teach you abalone diving!

 

[Spearo]

Thanks so much for the information guys. It sounds like a dual purpose bike is going to be more expensive, and more of a hassle than I want to deal with. Thanks rmc for explaining the whole green/red sticker thing. I guess it makes more sense to get an offroad bike for the kind of riding I'm going to do, my parents dont want me to have something that I can take on the street. Ill check out the bikes mentioned so far, if anyone cares to recomend a bike geared solely toward offroad riding feel free to chime in.

Thanks again!

Oh and Rmc, Im going to have to try ab diving sometime, if it's anything like diving for scallops I'm sure I'd excel at it :cool: