More excuses . . .

[XRpredator]

I obviously like Stewart, but the comment after the race really killed me. Windham was stoked, but polite. When Stewart was interviewed, he calmly said he wouldn't want to win the race 'this way' (taking Windham down), so he just 'let him by'. Come on Stewart, you can do better than that. :|

Dang, when Neph is losing the love, it's a bad omen!

 

[cr250can]

I have an excuse too...............I suck :nod:

 

[crazyYammi]

well he's doing something right. he's got you guys jabberjawing like a bunch of old ladies.

 

[Okiewan]

Dang, when Neph is losing the love, it's a bad omen!

I doubt that any of us that haven't already got the kid dead and buried like some of the comments he makes... I guess we just understand ... he's a kid and will go thru the same process RC did; learn what to say on the podium.

 

[nephron]

No love lost, Pred. Somewhat like giving your own child some slack...in fact, that's the way we need to view him. I'm 38, and I see no reason to really expect him to be a perfect 'representative' of US MX today. There's no way. Moreover, I know for a fact he has done better than RC did during his turbulent year....I can remember RC always blaming the track or the conditions or....yet he cleaned up as he matured. So will Stewart. No reason to hate. He'll get there. He's a good kid. It's the jerkoff's that want to hate that will perpetuate this bulls**t. :|

 

[nephron]

oh, and CrazyYammi---you're the one that confuses a 1st in class, 4.0 Med School, 99th percentile boards guy, highest score in the nation Neph boards guy with a primary care practitioner (god bless 'em). I wouldn't trust your intuition to beat sh*t. So don't worry about it. There. It's out. ;)

 

[crashnburn]

oh, and CrazyYammi---you're the one that confuses a 1st in class, 4.0 Med School, 99th percentile boards guy, highest score in the nation Neph boards guy with a primary care practitioner (god bless 'em). I wouldn't trust your intuition to beat sh*t. So don't worry about it. There. It's out. ;)

I hope you are joking, we don't need a "Stewart" in the medical community.

 

[Okiewan]

I think the only real difference between the RC haters of yesterday (many of whom now bow before him), is the Stewart Hate seems to be enjoyed... some seem to really enjoy baggin on the kid's "failures".. as if they get some personal satisfaction out of it all. Really.. what's up with the hate? I'd suggest these are the same people that NEVER wanted him to suceed. Kinda reminds me of the Tiger haters actually. I sure hope that's not it.

Frankly, there are a lot of "internet people" that look a LOT worse for it.

 

[CR Swade]

I think the only real difference between the RC haters of yesterday (many of whom now bow before him), is the Stewart Hate seems to be enjoyed... some seem to really enjoy baggin on the kid's "failures".. as if they get some personal satisfaction out of it all. Really.. what's up with the hate? Disappointing.

Frankly, there are a lot of "internet people" that look a LOT worse for it.

true dat Okie...I can think of plenty of mouthy, cocky things said by brash riders on their way up over the past 25-30 years (damn, I'm now officially old). Can't think of one that got piled on w/ as much duration and fervor as Stewart. Alessi was pretty hot for awhile, but even he gets his due now, w/ less stellar results and a MUCH mouthier past. Seems the internet lets some folks grind other axes other than just trash talk axes...axes that may not have a damn thing to do w/. racing

I for one like the trash talk, the challenges, the personality clashes from intensity of battle and I sure as hell don't carry any off color axes

 

[Shermanator]

No love lost, Pred. Somewhat like giving your own child some slack...in fact, that's the way we need to view him. I'm 38, and I see no reason to really expect him to be a perfect 'representative' of US MX today. There's no way. Moreover, I know for a fact he has done better than RC did during his turbulent year....I can remember RC always blaming the track or the conditions or....yet he cleaned up as he matured. So will Stewart. No reason to hate. He'll get there. He's a good kid. It's the jerkoff's that want to hate that will perpetuate this bulls**t. :|

Fans have the right to say and think what they like, because after all they are the ones that pay the bills for the riders. I recall Bubba never had any problems with the fans until this year when he opened his mouth too much without performing. He needs to respect the other riders he competes against in order to gain any respect from the fans. The fans at Red Bud only responded to what they saw happen on the track and they did not like it. Maybe you will get to see it on TV. RC won his first year in the outdoors on both 250 and 125 and every year after that so he never blamed anyone or anything. So your statement about Bubba doing better then RC is erroneous

 

[Okiewan]

I recall Bubba never had any problems with the fans until this year when he opened his mouth too much without performing

Actually, it started with his comments/actions (post win "dances") when he was winning everything.

RC won his first year in the outdoors on both 250 and 125 and every year after that so he never blamed anyone or anything. So your statement about Bubba doing better then RC is erroneous

Until this season is actually over.. so is yours, if not grossly premature.

 

[john3_16]

Could you guys imagine the stuff we'd hear in podium speeches if Matt Walker actually won on a frequent basis ? We'd have another Stewart on our hands minus the sprinkler dances.

 

[john3_16]

Can't think of one that got piled on w/ as much duration and fervor as Stewart.

I can't think of one either...

 

[marcusgunby]

If people take satifaction from getting stuff right(eg bubba not walking away from the other riders)i dont think you can blame them? hes a great rider who will win for sure, but lets see him shpw respect-IMO the other riders esp RC being the GOAT have EARNED it?Bubba is young and will learn but a 19 year old can say he got beat by a great rider, it wont hurt him to say it.Made me laugh the other week when bubba said how it wont be a 24 season for RC-well it wasnt CR stopped it lol.

 

[brit yz125]

Looks like this has gone from friendly banter to serious comments by the "haters". Lighten up guys! In years to come, Bubba will dominate, hes just got a few teething problems. Have none of you ever made an excuse for getting beaten, or for havin a poor ride? And thats just at amateur level! Give the kid a break!

 

[nephron]

Fans have the right to say and think what they like

Exactly. And I have the right to call people out for their ignorance if I want to. Simple banter. I think that concept is somehow part of the meaning of forum.

What's funny is this kid's gonna open it up someday...putting on shows of antigravity that you've never seen before.. and what are all you hater's going to say then? Depends on his attitude, right. I predict he'll do just what RC did. He'll shape it up, whether by virtue or by purpose of his sponsors. No big deal. He'll grow up, and then I'm not sure where all the pissers and moaners are going to go?

 

[JMD]

Okie, I find it despicable to accuse Bubba's critics of being racists. Maybe in this PC society we have gotten used to having the race card played whenever the opportunity arises to slime those who disagree, but that doesn't transform it into an acceptable tactic. You have no basis for your charges -- nobody here has mentioned race except you . You ought to apologize to everyone who has criticised Bubba, because you have libeled every one of them.

 

[Okiewan]

I made charges? Better read it again. You are trying to make that comment something it isn't. Please don't try to generalize my comments.

Kinda reminds me of the Tiger haters actually. I sure hope that's not it.

It is funny however that you would be the one (openly & strongly) taking offense at the possibility. Frankly, it's some of your comments that raised the thought in my mind in the first place, but maybe I misunderstood the comments. Ie; "bowfinger" and various other commetns.

 

[dirt bike dave]

Overall, I don't think the fans are giving Bubba as bad a time as RC used to get. Also, there is a difference in hating Bubba and pointing out that Bubba is not as good as RC.

Here are some reasons a few fans have turned against Bubba:

1) He has quit in two motos. This is the big one. Come up with a good explanation or endure the wrath.

2) He's faded in the hot, humid motos. When this happens to a massively talented rider, the fans think it is due to lack of heart or training. Especially when combined with the quitting thing.

3) He does not show RC and the other riders proper respect. Not every fan cuts him some slack on this due to his age.

4) He said no excuses then made excuses. Not an attractive quality.

5) He's biting the hand that feeds him. Criticizing the bike he is paid millions of $ to ride, then trying to strong arm his employer into changing their plans to accomodate him. Makes Bubba look like a spoiled primadona.

 

[pace]

Bottom line is some folks just need to hate on somebody, and an Internet forum is a conveniently anonymous outlet for that. But I remember the mob-like stadium booing of RC in years past and this is little different, really. As Okie noted, the Bubba hating started long before this season began. Actually, the hating arrived with Bubba's winning, not his losing. I can understand it - in the past I was somewhat resentful of Alessi shooting his mouth off, and then making older more experienced racers look like novices on the racetrack.

One day Bubba may be the elder statesman of the sport and these same folks will be hating on the 'next big thing' and holding Stewart up as a fine example of sportsman-like conduct.

 

[Okiewan]

1) He has quit in two motos. This is the big one. Come up with a good explanation or endure the wrath.

Yes, I'm sure that added to it, but it was going hot and heavy LONG before this season.

3) He does not show RC and the other riders proper respect.

Kinda like everyone's hero Hannah used to do and still does actually? What respect should he be showing exactly? That's an honest question. Should he openly state at the beginning and end of each moto that RC is the man and he's out there just to roll around and watch RC destroy everyone? Champions don't think like that. Simple thing is, he should think that way (ie; he can beat RC), just not say anthing about it.

4) He said no excuses then made excuses. Not an attractive quality.

Actually, I think being on the 2-stroke is a reason.. not the whole reason, but a factor. Should he say anthing about it? Nope. Do teenagers say things they shouldn't? Yup. Does being fast on a bike make one more mature? Nope.

5) He's biting the hand that feeds him. Criticizing the bike he is paid millions of $ to ride, then trying to strong arm his employer into changing their plans to accomodate him. Makes Bubba look like a spoiled primadona.

I'm not sure that any of us here, being raised as he was (being constantly told he's the next coming) and winning everything in sight, making the $$ he is, surrounded by the supporters like he is... would come off as anything other than a spoiled brat at 19.

You can't deny he's said things and done things we don't want our Champions to say or do. There's a HUGE difference between what we expect and what's realistic to expect from a 19 year old.

 

[Vic]

[You can't deny he's said things and done things we don't want our Champions to say or do. There's a HUGE difference between what we expect and what's realistic to expect from a 19 year old.

Welcome to the real world, Bubba.

When you act like a @#$%, you can expect to be called on it.

:nod:

 

[JMD]

No, you did not make any open accusations. You appeared to be using innuendo, but perhaps I misunderstood your comments. Unfortunately, it appeared to me that you were suggesting that those who criticise young Mr. Stewart are racists. And your recent post seems to make the charge against me personally. Of course I find that offensive. Or have I misunderstood you? If so, I will accept an apology, if one is offered.

I have given many reasons for why I don't like the kid, and none of them has anything to do with his skin color. The charge of racism is just a far too easy way to tar somebody who disagrees with you. Perhaps we have become so used to the charge's being bandied about in our society that we fall into making it ourselves, almost reflexively, forgetting how serious a charge it is. But given that that it has become about the worst thing you can call anybody, maybe the charge shouldn't be leveled, openly or by innuendo, without some pretty good evidence, not just some kind of gut feeling. At least among friends. Otherwise we reach the ridiculous point where people are afraid to criticize somebody who happens to be black, for fear of being called a rac*st

 

[crazyYammi]

You got me with that one, i think.

oh, and CrazyYammi---you're the one that confuses a 1st in class, 4.0 Med School, 99th percentile boards guy, highest score in the nation Neph boards guy with a primary care practitioner (god bless 'em). I wouldn't trust your intuition to beat sh*t. So don't worry about it. There. It's out. ;)

 

[Okiewan]

Ever heard the phrase "he who smelt it dealt it" ? :p

And your recent post seems to make the charge against me personally.

It shouldn't have seemed like anything... it (after your reply) was clearly directed at you. It was posts of yours in the past that first made me consider race having something to do with it (the unusal amount of bashing of JBS, IMHO). Note the word CONSIDER. In my mind, it was you that was using innuendo. No, there wasn't anything blatant, therefore my original post mentioned no names, and you, or anyone else has not been approached about.

Why was it you that responded so strongly to the innuendo? Does the shoe fit?
You mentioned "PC". It would be "PC" if I just left a possible concern un-mentioned to avoid possibly hurting someone's feelings, dion't you think? I'm not exactly known for being PC by any standard.

Unfortunately, it appeared to me that you were suggesting that those who criticise young Mr. Stewart are racists.

You can't be serious. I was suggesting there have been comments on this board and others that appeared to be bordering on, skirting around, racial statements. You took the post as if it applied to you. It has nothing to do with "someone dissagreeing with me". I've got a LOT of experience in that, having spent 6 years on this board. Like everyone else, you are entitled to your opinion and welcome to post it. Again, my concern was that some racial attitudes were coming thru, something I will not permit on this board, rather you or anyone else approves or not.

Otherwise we reach the ridiculous point where people are afraid to criticize somebody who happens to be black, for fear of being called a rac*st

I agree completely with that statement. However, anything getting close to racial comments will not be allowed on this board... this is a motorcycle forum, not a socio-study.