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Message: [QUOTE="jeff joy, post: 100721, member: 23212"] I am a trail rider in mostly hilly slippery conditions with alot of ruts.I try my best to stay out of the ruts but usually end up in them and have to suffer the consequences of doing so.I've riddin with better riders and they allways seem to be able to get out of them,every time I try I end up with my front tire out and the back end comes around on me to where I'm going sideways,not a good position to be in.Can anyone ouy there give me some tips on how to get the rear tire out? p.s. I have a good rear tire IRC m5b,great mud tire,so that is not the problem. [/QUOTE]