I'll be back with a post to follow, but I do have a question that you might want to think about, if you had very cheap health care (not free because that's BS, the grocery store workers don't have free health care), and they wanted to raise your payment each month AND your co-pay to 40.00 each visit, would you just say, ok everyone else is paying it, or would you TRY to get the same healthcare for the next three years? It's not that the workers think they're better than you, it's that they just are trying to hold on to a good thing that they have going, wouldn't you? I feel that alot of people are bitter that grocery workers are getting away with cheap health, and that makes them so pissed off that they can't focus on anything else in the contract, sure they're not as big as the health care issue, but they add up. These include split shifts, decreased pension, decreased top wages to new hires (but that also includes employees that are getting promoted to another department) and two tiered pay scale. This means that it is highly unlikely that any of your kids will want to go work for a grocery store because it will take them 5 to 6 years to hit a top pay of 9.10 in the meat dept, 8.10 as a courtesy clerk, 8.10 as a service deli worker, 8.10 as a bakery worker, and 14.90 as a produce,dairy,supervisor or checker. All of those figures are 3 dollars an hour less than the people now are making. So that is where I stand and more will come out in my next post, but basically I'm sick of hearing people say, "I have to pay for health care and so should you" And that translates into...you shouldn't get anything better than me, because I am better than you. This thread is on its way out.