Quads at AMA Event

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I wasn't sure where to post this... I was curious as to everyone's feelings on this topic. 20 quads were invited and raced at the latest AMA event at Steele City this past weekend. I know dirtbikers and quads for the most part have never gotten along. What did everyone think about this event?? Heard rumors that if the AMA felt this venture successful that it is something that will not be uncommon come next year. How will it be with pro quads now racing the same AMA events as bikes??
 

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If they don't charge me more to get in, I'd be fine with it.. more to watch! I just hope they don't wear wife beaters and tote a cooler on them quads.
 

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Personally I prefer the quads race on their own day. This weekend was a prime example- the bikes worked up some great ruts and berms in practice and then the quads went out and knocked them all down and then polished the loose dirt off to the track edges. Same happened each time the quads went out after bike motos.
Let the quads race but on their own day when bikes are not.
In Wisconsin (district 16) very few tracks still offer a mixed schedule for this reason
 
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Motocross, like other sports of today, must be an ever-changing entity in order to survive. Even though it doesn't get as much t.v. coverage I'd like to see, the reality is spectator and media appeal at the pro level in order to satisfy sponsors. Pro hockey changed rules recently for more fan enjoyment (a.k.a. higher scoring), college football moving the kickoff line up to the 35 this year, etc. This is just the way of the sports world and we may as well make the best of it 'cuz it WILL happen, even in motocross (quads making two-tracks at Washougal). Whatever keeps our sport alive...

A separate day for quads does seem like a good compromise to a strictly two-wheeler like myself.
 
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IndyYZ85 said:
If they don't charge me more to get in, I'd be fine with it.. more to watch! I just hope they don't wear wife beaters and tote a cooler on them quads.
The riders that were invited are a little more professional than that. Kaw and Suz both had team rigs out there for the Pro quad riders as they do at all ATVA/AMA quad nationals and WPSA/ESPN Events...

oldguy said:
Personally I prefer the quads race on their own day. This weekend was a prime example- the bikes worked up some great ruts and berms in practice and then the quads went out and knocked them all down and then polished the loose dirt off to the track edges. Same happened each time the quads went out after bike motos.
Let the quads race but on their own day when bikes are not.
In Wisconsin (district 16) very few tracks still offer a mixed schedule for this reason
Thank you. That is the kind of feed back I was looking for. I was unfortunate not to make it out to this event. I heard that the track was groomed in between the quads and bikes and that on Sunday the quads went first to avoid dirtbike riders having their berms and whatnot knocked down. Did that not happen??


colotowyo499 said:
Motocross, like other sports of today, must be an ever-changing entity in order to survive. Even though it doesn't get as much t.v. coverage I'd like to see, the reality is spectator and media appeal at the pro level in order to satisfy sponsors. Pro hockey changed rules recently for more fan enjoyment (a.k.a. higher scoring), college football moving the kickoff line up to the 35 this year, etc. This is just the way of the sports world and we may as well make the best of it 'cuz it WILL happen, even in motocross (quads making two-tracks at Washougal). Whatever keeps our sport alive...

A separate day for quads does seem like a good compromise to a strictly two-wheeler like myself.
You know how rumors float. They had talked about doing quads on a different day. I think it was something to do with the time line and the fact they only wanted to add in the pro class.

This was the first time an event like this took place. I dont know what it will entail for the years to come. I was just curious to see some honest opinions from the db side of things.

I am from the quad side of it. I had a few sponsored riders that were invited to race in the event. I wanted to see what the db riders thought. I have alot of friends on 2-wheels and wanted to get some more opinions of it.
 
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If it takes adding quads to mx events to make the sport grow then I'm happy with the sport staying the same size :nener:


Like others have said bikes and quads really dont mix. Quads really just about need different tracks then bikes. A good novice jump on a bike is dangerous for all but the best quad riders. Tight sections on tracks are not good for quads cause they are so wide. Quads totally annihilate berms.


Also, I may be biased but I see a higher number of quad riders that are inconsiderate riders. I'm not saying that all quad riders are inconsiderate but I seem to see more inconsiderate quad riders then I do riders on 2 wheels.

Besides, everyone knows that quads are just bikes with training wheels :)
 

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I'm an odd one here. I always liked racing after the quads because they dried the trackout and smoothed it out. Yeah, I know, I should get better at riding ruts.

mkelly...my guess is that you would be amazed (andhumbled) by how good some of those quad riders are. This past weekend I was at Durhamtown Plantation in Georgia and saw a quad rider easily clear one of the biggest jumps on the track. It is a step-up that is probably 60 feet (distance) and 10-12 feet (higher) to get to the top and another 30 or so to land smoothly down the backside. This quad rider cleared it well.

I later saw the rider relaxing near the entrance to the track and she was HOT! Yes, that was a female quad rider that was better and faster than almost all of the bikes out there and she looked as good asa she rode. How about that for breaking a couple of your stereotypes!
 

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During the webcast, they were talking with one of the top quad riders. He said they were doing 2:17 laps on Saturday. RV was doing like 2:17 laps in the 1st Lites moto! The quad rider acknowledged the track conditions were much better when he was doing 2:17. When the track got better for the bikes, the best bikes were doing 2:10 and under. I would say the top quad riders are pretty fast!

That being said, I don't think they belong at an AMA outdoor MX. Even if they are fun to watch, any damage or alteration to the track is a bad thing.
 
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i guess at this kind of level the riders are more professional but at local tracks quad riders are just obnoxious (did i spell that right??) it has given me a bias for all quad riders. heck at rausch creek at a couple weeks ago there was this smart guy doing smoking burnouts in his trailer.

i guess i dont mind if its 2 different days. and as long as the price for tickets stays the same i think its cool.

maybe if they made it 2 days and you could buy a 1 or 2 day ticket.
 
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In the series I race for, we have about four heats of quads per moto. There's only been one time where I've been a little disappointed with the quads, and that was because the track got a little too chewed up for me to get traction enough to build the speed up for one set of doubles. However, when I talked with some of the riders, I found out the quads were having the same problems with that section as well.

As for the track conditions, I definitely understand some of the issues one might have with them beating down some of the ruts and lines, but aren't they supposed to change quite a bit? After all, if they didn't, motocross would rather be a lot like nascar or something...(yes that was an extreme analogy)...

Also, as a beginning racer, I actually appreciate how the quads make the whoops a little more forgiving to those of us with lesser developed skills. They also make kickers and step ups much more user friendly as well.

I must be lucky, as "our" quad riders are actually some pretty awesome guys (and girls at one point too)! I always have someone to help me load up the little CR, talk me over a set of jumps, or even let me pull a chair into their shade...

I agree with the generalized opinion. I feel that in more important or larger races, the events should be set up to allow a little track grooming between quads and bikes.
 
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The local MX has separated the days on which quads and bikes practice, and race. Seems to be working well. There is far less negative talk in the pits now. Also, it works better because it gives the bikes one less practice session to wait through, and on quad practice days, those guys can run uninterrupted all day..not to mention 3 or 4 less motos on race day for us, and a morning only race day for them.
 
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Quads belong on a farm, far away from an AMA event.
No offense in posting this, this was the type of ignorance I was hoping to avoid. All of the ATVA Nationals are AMA sanctioned along with alot of local districts that you have to be an AMA member to race and compete in that are strictly quads. So there are quads at ALOT of AMA events... This was the first dirtbike AMA event that quads attended.


Just seeing what everyone had to say and appreciate the information as it is being relayed to different people.

I understand db and quads both having different track conditions. That is why I was under the impression they were suppose to be grooming tracks and having the quads run earlier than the bikes on Sunday to prevent issues like that from happening. I think the Pro Riders we had at Steele City were turning quick enough lap times and hitting jumps that were impressive to alot of the guys on 2 wheels I knew racing out there. I dont know if this is something that everyone is quite ready for yet. It was a test to see how it went. The quad riders that attended this event were as professional as they come.
 

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dirt bike dave said:
That being said, I don't think they belong at an AMA outdoor MX. Even if they are fun to watch, any damage or alteration to the track is a bad thing.
Damage or alteration? What is this? Supercross?

Come on, man, alterations in the track and "damage" is what MX is all about. Adapting and overcoming a dynamic, ever-changing terrain!

I wouldn't mind watching the couches race. All the manufacturers make a 450cc performance quad these days (well, Polaris makes a KTM525 powered machine) so we'd just as well see 'em out there.
 
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High Lord Gomer said:
mkelly...my guess is that you would be amazed (andhumbled) by how good some of those quad riders are. This past weekend I was at Durhamtown Plantation in Georgia and saw a quad rider easily clear one of the biggest jumps on the track. It is a step-up that is probably 60 feet (distance) and 10-12 feet (higher) to get to the top and another 30 or so to land smoothly down the backside. This quad rider cleared it well.
I realize that the top quad riders are very talented. But from my experience talented quad riders are few and far between. In the local race circuit I've only seen around 5 really talented quad riders..... and even the top quad riders cant keep up with the local B mx riders.

Its possible that its the type of tracks that I ride on, like I said before quad riders and mx riders really have different requirements for tracks.

In a perfect world there would be a track for mx beginners and quads and a separate track for intermediate and pro mx riders.