Riding Red was not meant for me

BSWIFT

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The following letter was sent to a local dealership. I have purposely excluded the name of the dealership and persons named in the letter.
To Whom It May Concern:

On June 29th, 2002, I visited the ************Dealership around 11:00 a.m. The store did have quite a few customers and I was in no real hurry. Taking my time browsing inside the showroom and out on the sidewalk, I passed by several employees. At one point, I stood quietly within 10 feet of a salesman that was sitting at his desk with a customer.
My intentions were to put down money on a ’03 CR450F that I knew would not be in stock. So again, I was in no real hurry. However, after thirty minutes, not one single employee said, “Hello”, “have you been helped yet?”, or “I will be with you in a minute”. Disgusted, I left and pursued purchasing a bike at other dealerships, not making a decision just yet.
My friend **********and I were conversing about this experience on the internet and he offered to call Randy ****. He was true to his word and Randy gave me a call approximately 11:00 a.m. July 2, 2002. I was unable to answer my phone and returned his call 2:20 p.m. that afternoon. After leaving a voice mail, I decided to stop by ***************and give things another shot.
If “timing is everything”, this was not meant to be. I entered the store Tuesday, July 2 at 2:30 p.m. Browsing very conspicuously around the KTM’s and the Cannondale’s in the showroom. I proceeded towards the parts counter and accessories purposely stopping near employees. After 25 minutes, I left the store. I had not been greeted or otherwise by one single employee.
As I left town, I stopped and made a deal on a bike. At 3:55 p.m., Randy returns my call. He offers to check on a '02 CR450F at another dealership and shoots me a price, contingent on the other dealer releasing the motorcycle.
I have dealt with all of the Tulsa area motorcycle dealers and have never been ignored in my life. Even while browsing, I was always greeted by someone willing to help me, answer questions, and, by all means, sell me something. Was I treated wrongly or unfairly? Not quite. Was I made welcome with an attempt to gain my trust and business? Quite simply, the answer is, no.
I guess I could go to your local competitor but I don’t like going to Broken Arrow. I could have traveled to Bartlesville or Stillwater, even to OKC to purchase a new Honda motorcycle. Would I have to travel to one of these places to purchase parts as well?
It is sad that the actions (or inactions) of a few hurt the majority of people but it seems to happen on a daily basis. For myself and ************, this has happened two business days in a row.

BSwift
 

marcusgunby

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I wonder if this is a case of dealers trying not to be pushy and going too far-i dont like salesman smothering me but i dont like to be ignored either-its a bit like how we want our woman to act -or is it?
 

BigBore

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Hah.....sounds like the first KTM dealership I went to when I decided on a 300. Must have stood in the same spot an stared at the 300 on the floor for 20 minutes, spent probably another 10 browsing the rest of the showroom. Meanwhile the owner and the other salesman stood around BSing with some old folks at the parts counter. Finally I just walked up an barged in the conversation.

Oh, and not to go off on a rant or anything, but I wasn't that impressed with the salesman either. When I inquired as to how much the APR from KTM financing is, I was told it was just under 17%. Ouch......at the dealership I ended up buying my 300 from, they told me it was 10.49%, and actually showed me the paperwork to prove it. The other dealer also wasn't willing to budge on their prices, and they actually had a leftover 2001 300 that they were trying to sell for the same price I got my '02 for. I would have rather bought from them since they're barely an hour up the highway, but oh well, the extra 2 1/2 hours was worth it for the deal I ended up getting.
 

Einstein

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I work at a Honda dealership and I know how pissed off the salesmen can get. They get smothered with people just stroking them while there are people waiting....who would actually buy something. If they are really busy don't blame the salesman. But if everyone is standing around laughing and ignoring you then go budge in. Remember you'll become priority if you mention you've got straps in the truck and a check in your pocket!
 

IrishEKU

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BSWIFT,
By all means talk about the dealer you or your friend had problems with! If their customer service is that laxx I guess they think that their crap don't stink.......I think it is terriable that a dealer would act that way to a perspective buyer. Life is rough enough without adding in dealers that treat buyers like crap........Good Luck next time!
 

Jeff Gilbert

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I know what your talking about guys, going to a motorcycle store is about the same as going to a music store. The place I buy race gas from is about the only time I ever darken the door steps of that shop, there are better places to go for more serious purchases. I'd never buy a motorcycle from the place in my town that sells the yellow, green & red bikes. The dealer that sells the blue ones is more interested in selling boats and there gear is priced above retail so I never go there. Now the store that sells orange I can get in and get out as fast as I need and always get a good deal. I have bought 4 orange bikes there but I've bought one green bike (from an individual) and the dealer didn't make any bones about it to me for doing it. (Like some dealers punish you as though you have to be loyal to them)

I won't spam by mentioning any dealer names but if anyone knows what city Robinson is close to it shouldn't be too hard to figure out where I'm getting my orange bikes, just gotta tell him you want a good deal and if you're serious you'll get one. The other dealers just keep losing out...too bad!
 

GETMETOCA

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I had a poor experience at the Honda Dealership that I bought my '02 XR250 from. I had done a lot of searching for a good price new and a friend had found a price on the internet at a Sacramento Area dealership that was outstanding. I called the dealership and the salesman and I agreed on the price and I told him I would be there that Friday to pick up the bike and pay for it - cash.

He says "Okay, see you Friday!" I said, "Don't you need my phone number or a credit card number to hold the bike?" He says "No, we'll set one aside for you and we'll see you Friday!"

I thought that was kind of odd, but this was my first bike purchase so I figured it was the norm. Well Sacramento is 2 hours from where I live and I left work early on Friday as well. Not to mention I asked my friend to come with me so I could make sure I got all the right questions answered.

We get up to Sacramento, I locate the salesman I had been talking to on the phone and he just looks at me and says he had two floor models of the XR250 on site that week, but as of today he had no more and would not have another one set up until the following Tuesday.

I was so MAD. :| I wasn't sure if I should have been more pissed at him for creating such an inconvenience for me or if I should have blamed myself for not pushing the issue of securing the bike before I could pick it up. Not sure how I should have handled it. I had my heart set on riding that weekend. :(

He apologized but I didn't feel like it was heartfelt. I ended up leaving and coming back the following Friday after he assured me that he would hold it. I know he knew I was travelling from Modesto and it was 4 hours of wasted time for me, roundtrip. I don't think I will ever do business with them again.


PS: Marcusgunby, I am going to let you slide. :)
 

marcusgunby

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GETMETOCA is sliding a good or bad thing;)i though no one got my comment as it seemed to be ignored-maybe i try too hard:)
 

GETMETOCA

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On a POSITIVE note, I had a great experience at Clawson Honda in Fresno, CA. They were having this Big Blowout Parking Lot Sale back in March and the place was crammed with people buying gear, parts, bikes, everything.

I was shopping for riding boots and although it was very busy in there, the salesman that helped me stuck with me all the way from talking about boots, trying them on, asking me if I needed other gear, he rang me up and then walked me over to one of the bike salesman who could answer my questions about a new bike (hadn't bought the Honda yet).

Wish I could remember his name, but because of his politeness and his attention, I WILL go back and do business there.
 

motometal

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I know exactly what you mean, Bswift, but on the other side of the coin, like someone mentioned, there are so many tire kickers, if the shop was busy I am really not surprised no one went out of their way to talk with you.

When I got ready to buy my first bike, went in, owner:may I help you? me: yea, what is your price on this bike? owner: shows me full retail and walks away mumbling "let me know if you have any questions". I bought a new one somewhere else (far, far away), then went into the local dealer just often enough so that he knew I was buying parts for the bike he could have sold me.

...next year comes around, time for a new bike. owner:may I help you? me: yea, what's your price on this bike? owner: steps up to the plate!

Of course I would agree with you that neither one of us is describing optimal service.

As a side note, I would have to wonder how good prices are at a dealership with no customers...

Getmocha, you have more patience than I, giving a dealer two hours away a second chance! But, bottom line is you got your bike! ;)
 

BigBore

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GETMETOCA....

Your experience with the guy selling the bikes before you got their made me appreciate how good the place was I bought the 300 at (they had 2 left). I called them on a Wednesday to ask if they'd consider my 650 as trade in. They said they would have to see it first, so I told them I would drive up Saturday (3 1/2 hr drive) to start working a deal.

Saturday morning rolls around. I figure I'd get up there and they'd barely remember talking to me, if they remembered at all. As I pull into the parking lot, here sits this new 300 all by itself outside the building. I hardly get through the door and here comes the salesman, "hey Kevin whats up, I see you brought the XR....lets go take a look at it!" I was kinda dumbfounded....these guys definately wanted to sell something! I was very impressed with this place, it was great doing business with them.
 

BunduBasher

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I don't know guys, just one look at BSWIFT, and you'd think he is there to buy a Harley :eek: ;)
 

woods_rider1

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I live right next to a suzuki/kawasaki dealer and have bought oil, plugs, grips etc from them for 20 years, in that 20 years they have never spoken one word to me when browsing the showroom. When I get to the parts counter to get my grips or oil, the only acknowledgement I get from them is "will that be all?". I have never owned a Honda, but I buy my parts through them, friendliest salesmen I have ever met! I will drive across town to be greeted by friendly salesmen who give me the time of day.
 

crkid

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The Honda dealer by me is great. There's always a guy that'll greet you when you come in the door (not trying to make a sale, just saying hello). There are always just enough people at the parts counter to help everyone. They also have at least 4 "salesmen" (ask you for assistance, but seem like they don't need to sell anything) on the floor at all times.

The Yamaha/Suzuki dealer around here is the worst however. It's either totally being ignored or hearing a thousand times about the new "0 down" deal from one of the companies.
 

GETMETOCA

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Originally posted by motometal
Getmocha, you have more patience than I, giving a dealer two hours away a second chance! But, bottom line is you got your bike! ;)

I don't normally have a lot of patience :) But, you're right, I got my bike, got a good price, and that was THE ONLY reason I went back the next week to get it.

As far as driving further away, I don't mind the drive so much. I go to I-Moto in Livermore to get just about everything and you know why??? Erich and Steve REMEMBER MY NAME when I come in there. They remember what I bought last time I was in there and ask me how it worked out. The shop is clean and pleasant, well stocked, and looks good. THAT IS WHY.

I was shopping locally for a ramp and I found the Fly Racing folding ramp I wanted at two places locally. First of all they were a rip off, and secondly, I had the ramp in my hand (impulse buying) ready to buy and I waited for like 15 minutes and during this time no one could ring me up. I put the ramp back down and walked out.

I drove to I-Moto in Livermore, an hour away, had a pleasant shopping experience, got the SAME Fly Racing ramp for $60 less than the other guys and guess what?? I dropped another $250 on gear and replacement parts "Just Cuz" I was having such a good time in there. Being a woman, sometimes I don't get taken seriously or the patience for dealing with a "new to riding" customer like me is not there, but not with these guys. I get treated respectfully and they are always friendly. :)
 

BSWIFT

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I probably would have waited several hours or come back later had someone at the store acknowledged my presence. The worst part is, Tuesday afternoon at 2:30 it is not that busy.
I have received a few PM's and I will consider the possibility of following that course. However, I'm feeling a bit blue right now.
 

justql

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Ah heck swift, it could be worse. You ould own a kawi. :p Buy a Gasser. I'll gaurantee that Jim Cook will take the time to talk to you.
 

smb_racing

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brian, is the mamba that hard to find parts for? :eek:
 

ktmboy

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A bit BLUE? Is this a clue to the direction you're leaning? Are we gonna see another, "I've gone to the dark side!", post?:/
 

326mx

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Garsh I feel so lucky. I went bike shopping in Indy and went to a small shop called Indy Cycles. We were interested in a bike and when the salesman saw we were interested went to get the owner.... turns out the bike wa sthe owners personal pony. Great guys they were. Also we bought a quad there and they had one but it was in a crate and the owner took us to see to confirm model and make. THEN he had his entire bike assembly crew of 10 people put it together in 30 minutes.
 

evenslower

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I have often wondered how people can work around motorcycles/dirtbikes/quads/pwc and have such poor dispositions. Don't you think that if you got work on or around bikes all day that it would more than compensate for the fact that you have to deal with the occasional moron. I've worked in retail before so I understand that as a whole the general public can be a bunch of dumb @$$&$, but bike people are a little different. Sure there's the occasional moron to deal with but dude, you work in a mc shop for a living. How can that not be cool?

I feel your pain BSWIFT. I much prefer to spend my chump change with folks who have some enthusiasm for what they do and can take my money without seeming like they are doing me a favor or that I'm bothering them by browsing in their showroom.
 
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Brian-When I got my 426 from Warrensburg Cycle here in MO, I heard what they were letting the CR450 go for OTD. There is another closer shop that is $100 more, but still a great shop. You want me to check some prices for you? I got my 426 for $5200, and the Hondas were going for $5800 OTD. Lemme know if you want me to make some calls. Then you can come to pick it up and we can hit Merwin again. :D
 

Jaybird

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AH ha! You obviously didn't wave the money around! That would be like dropping cheese doughball in a carp pond! :)

I'm like marcus...when I need their assistance, there won't be any question as to why I'm there. Until then, they can keep talking to the quad perspectives. :)
 

a454elk

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I couldn't understand why ALL the salesman at the Suzuki delaer helped me load my bike up?!:think: I thought I heard laughter when I was leaving but wasn't sure cause the elk drowned out the noise!:):) Actually, I had a great experience with my local dealer. Told him what I wanted to pay and he said can you be here in 30 minutes. Can't say the same for Chaparral:|
 
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