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Message: [QUOTE="mgorman, post: 214952, member: 18371"] In our group 250 thumps and 200 and under smokers are all foo foo bikes. In 20 years of racing and more than 20 motorcycles I have raced everything from a XL125 up to 560 Can-Am and from a 250 Husky to a KTM500. Every bike was fun to race except maybe the XL125. But then again it was my 1st bike to race and it got me a 6th place trophy in a 100 mile harescrable. Any decent bike can be made to go fast. I totaly agree with KTMBoy that it is the rider in the woods as long as the bike has the suspension in the ball park and a good set of rubber. A rider needs to be able to use all the power that is on tap. Power that can't be controlled usualy ends up waisting the riders energy. Remember, my hero Scott Summers turned in his fastest lap times on a XR250. It was also his choice when riding hurt. The only real advantage of HP in Ohio is to help you locate the next hardwood a little faster. In some cases it helps laid back trail riders shift less, right slammer? The originator of this post, BenPQ needs to be on a tamer bike. Once he builds his confidence he can move back to an open class bike. The only time I miss my big bores is in the mountains. But then again, riding the foo-foo makes for a great challenge and I rarely back down from a good one. Ben, make sure you check the trail ride section, we're going Saturday. [/QUOTE]