Salesmen...

[ttrider24]

Yesterday I went to the dealership to get some chain lube and one of the salesmen started talking to me about my bike. He asked me when I got it, if I new how to clean it, etc.
Then he asked me when I cleaned the filter. I told him I had not cleaned it since I got it. He gave me one of those :yikes: looks, walked over to the shelf, grabbed a can of filter spray and handed it to me. He told me I needed to get the spray and clean it as soon as I got home. So I got the stuff I needed and walked out. I started to think on the way home he just told me that so I would get it. So I got home, cleaned my bike, and went to clean the filter. My dad told me the filter was probably clean and sure enough when I took the cover off it was spotless. So I learned a lesson:
Never trust a salesmen!

 

[Okiewan]

That's a decent general rule (about salesmen)... but, keep in mind, a one day ride in the right conditions (dusty or muddy for exampe), he could have been right.

 

[gwcrim]

The bit of info that we need to know is: How long have you had your bike?

Plus, at some point you sure will need to clean the air filter. Now you have the stuff to do it w/out making a special trip.

Salesmen ain't all bad.

 

[Chili]

Our bikes get a clean filter every ride, cheap insurance against sucking some dirt and ending up with some expensive engine repairs. On sand tracks and really dusty days the bike get's a fresh filter each moto.

 

[jonnyriabov]

I have 4 airfilters. I rotate them after every ride, its much easier to wash a fairly clean filter, than one thats caked with dust, mud, sand. Just because it looks clean to you, there is likely dust between the outter coarse foam and the inner fine foam.

jonny

 

[ttrider24]

Yeah I havent done much dirt riding yet, just around my neighborhood and in a field so I didnt really expect it to be that dirty. I guess I could look on the bright side of it but this experience backs up some other stories I've heard about salesmen just wanting to make a sale no matter what. And no offence to any of the salesmen on here, just the ones who try to get you to buy stuff you probably don't need. :cool:

 

[ellandoh]

you will need it very soon , and if it is his fault you are now aware that your air filter needs cleaning and oil you should go kiss his lips, in fact i would give a guess that a brand new bike from a dealership comes with no oil on the filter . so go do your dad a favor and oil it before you go crying for some money to rebore the cylinder due to the grit scrubbing the walls free of the nikasil plating.

parts counter guys are for the most part good guys who love the sport and do not work on commission

 

[Poltax]

There are good salesman and bad ones. Just like there are good _____________ insert your own profession and bad ones. I have been a Manufactures Sales Rep for over 28 years. Quite frankly I am honest and make sure I follow thru with promises given to accounts. As a result I have been awarded many manufactures lines due to my CUSTOMER'S Requests. Too generalize that all salesman are dishonest, liars, ect would be the same as if I generalized that all people in your profession are idiots, liars, dishonest ect. if I had, had a bad experience with them.

Maybe the sales guy has seen to many other bikes come into the shop and the air cleaner was not clean and had done damage to the motor & he was just trying to save you future expenses. Maybe he was new....maybe he doesnt have the people skills to be a salesman, who knows. From the way you told your story it sounds like to me that the salesman was looking out for your interest and the longevity of your equipment.

Being the best in your profession what ever it may be is honorable. Whether your the CEO of a multimillion dollar company down to the guy that cleans the toilets.

 

[ttrider24]

so go do your dad a favor and oil it before you go crying for some money to rebore the cylinder due to the grit scrubbing the walls free of the nikasil plating.

Already checked it. Its already oiled.

And I didn't mean that ALL salesmen were bad. The ones down at that dealership are pretty cool and give good advice. But believe me I have heard stories of them selling things to people who don't need what they were sold. Those are the ones I'm talking about. There was a guy I heard about that had never ridden any bike before and the salesman almost sold him a brand new GSX-R1000 as a first bike. I dont think many people would agree that is a good starter bike for anyone. I'm also not trying to say I will never use what he sold me, I will probably end up thanking him in the long run. He made a big deal of it and I didn't really think he should have. Only reason I didn't like what I heard is because I have friends who have had dirtbikes for years and havent changed the filter but once and they're still running fine. Also I haven't done much riding so I didn't think It would need cleaning. I'm going trail riding sometime soon and will probably be cleaning it afterwards.

 

[ellandoh]

sorry, sounded a little different than that a minute ago. you are one step ahead when you go to do the filter. he made a big deal over it and was doing you a favor, clean and re-oil your filter at a minimum of once after every weekends worth of riding. also change the tranny oil at the same time

 

[ttrider24]

No problem. After all this is the Flame Board right?

 

[XRpredator]

. . . change the tranny oil at the same time

I don't like my trannies oiled.

 

[nephron]

sick...oh, and new smilie: :whoa: :whoa:

 

[Rich Rohrich]

WWJDAPOT ???

 

[ttrider24]

^^What? :think: ^^

 

[Milk]

Hey! Who deleted my Spanish post?!?! Im sure no one here speaks Spanish, except Baxter, but he cant read.

 

[ellandoh]

I don't like my trannies oiled.

i forgot that word has gone down the toilet since the internet had to change its meaning :think:

 

[motometal]

I think for most people, the truth (in this case the ideal air filter changing frequency) lies somewhere in the middle of every ride and once per year. In other words, if it starts to look significantly dirty, clean it. This might mean once per moto, or once per ten rides. If you ride on a prepped/watered track, it will take quite a while for it to get dirty. The main thing is make sure it seals up well, use the right oil, and look at it. Only takes a minute to remove the two bolts, remove the seat and see how it looks.

Trans oil-hey, there's no filter and there's a clutch in there (edit-maybe there is a filter...the oil still needs changed though). IF you have aluminum clutch plates (most bikes do these days) it needs it more often. Again, maybe not every ride, but at some reasonable interval. And, if it looks really bad, you probably should be changing it more frequently.

That sales guy did you a favor, whether you realize it or not, by the way.

 

[ttrider24]

Once I run 5 tanks through it Im supposed to take it back to the dealership. I dont know what theyre going to do but Im going to ask them some questions like how to change tranny oil and things like that. Do you guys think I need to check the oil before I go just to be sure its alright?

 

[SpeedyManiac]

It never hurts to check the oil. You can never clean an air filter or change the engine oil too much. Engines always like things clean.

 

[tnrider]

Once I run 5 tanks through it Im supposed to take it back to the dealership. I dont know what theyre going to do but Im going to ask them some questions like how to change tranny oil and things like that. Do you guys think I need to check the oil before I go just to be sure its alright?

i think the TTR's come with a good manual that should explain how to do all of this work (at least our ttr125 did). i had to purchase shop manuals for the honda bikes though as their manuals are next to useless...

 

[truespode]

I change my oil AT LEAST every 5 hours, usually sooner. Same with the air filter.

I have 5 air filters and after I put in a new one, I oil up another to get it ready. Once I have the final one in I wash them all.

Ivan

 

[ttrider24]

i think the TTR's come with a good manual that should explain how to do all of this work (at least our ttr125 did). i had to purchase shop manuals for the honda bikes though as their manuals are next to useless...

My maual is good but it says nothing about tranny oil.

 

[Okiewan]

No question about it... the "standard" Yamaha manual is FAR better than Honda's.

 

[ttrman0]

HMMM... I used to ride and still own a ttr225 (first bike) and my manual showed how to change the oil. Not very hard. one bolt where the screen filter is..take it out and off, clean it. Bottom bolt on the bottom of the block, take it out, drain oil. Put screw bolt back in, put screen filter back in, fill with oil. Check level, and unscrew slightly the oil pressure screw on the front of the block. Turn bike on for a second and make sure oil sweeps out of the pressure screw. Tighten it back up. Recheck oil level and fullness and your good to go.