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Message: [QUOTE="acutemp, post: 167332, member: 16367"] Russ, Here's my .02 on the situation which is made easier by the amount of good advice posted above.:) I have a KDX 200 on which I have tried about every mod out there including both pipes. I found the results to be much as CC describes when it comes to the pipes. I don't think that anyone is questioning your results but to me at least, something is not right. As far as jetting to lean on the bottom , your bike will let you know by the way it reacts, I would try a 40 pilot. As fishhead has said jetting is the key. You might want to first try some of the needles that have been suggested. Your jetting might be to rich below 1/2 throttle with both pipes, but is closer with the rev than with the torque. Are your power valves working corectly? Once your jetting is dialed in if you are still wanting a more 4 stroke like bottom end the carb mod works well. If you are looking to lug your bike down farther without stalling a flywheel weight is always an option. For those really nasty riding days I will run my torque pipe,flywheel weight, 12 tooth front sprocket and 36mm RB carb. This setup is not as "fun"IMO as some of the more aggressive setups that I can run, but is much less tiring which is important for an out of shape old guy like myself.:confused: This setup pulls hard from just off idle and works great when traction is needed. Good luck with your decision, but you do have some options.--Dan [/QUOTE]