Trail Manners?

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Just wondering what your thoughts are on this. I've done all the basic mods to my 2001 KDX (rev pipe, silencer, guards, skid plate, reeds, etc.). I've had a few guys including my dealer over the last few months tell me that I have taken away all of the KDX's trail manners, mainly by adding the pipe. What do you think? I know the pipe makes the bike hit a bit harder and while the things are no 250 MX'ers, they're no dogs either. Does anyone feel that for slow trail riding and really sloppy conditions that the bike may be better off left stock? My problem is that I put all the junk on it only after having the bike for about a week, so I really don't know what it is like to run it stock. Just curious.

Russ
 

70 marlin

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just added a bit of attitude!

Don't let them REV you up! ;¤ money well spent © maybe this winter a little carb & fredette majic? my 220 has all miss manner's but 250's don't walk away !
 

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Manners! What manners? We don't need no stinking manners! :p

If they want manners let them ride stock klx's:D They can have manners till it hurts.
 

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Well perhaps you should have ridden it stock just once :)
You won't be dissapointed, in fact you did all the right things.

-MD
 

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No way, these bikes stock are nice little unoffensive trail bikes. The mods make them legit dirt bikes (except that they handle OK but not great). Do the search under RB Designs for the carb mod; you won't be sorry, especially now that the mystery of jetting the thing is nearly solved :)
 
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I can't think of a situation where changing a whole bunch of stuff at once is a terrific idea...easy to have a problem with one change masked by or confused with another.

Part of the fun is riding the effect of the changes..having not ridden it stock, that wouldn't be known.

That notwithstanding, the changes you made are the basic starting points and would be a mistake in no one's book.

You didn't mention your airbox lid. If you haven't checked it out, take a look at CDave's site:

http://justkdx.dirtrider.net/

I don't see a mention of whether your bike is a 200 or 220. A rev pipe on a 200 is a considerably different beast than on a 220. My '00 with a rev is not too 'well mannered' a trails bike. It's suited then more for the dunes/wide(r) open spaces.

Enjoy your bike!!
 
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Sorry...the bike is a 2001 KDX200 and yes, I did the airbox mod too. I couldn't agree with you more canyncarv that riding stock first is best. Anymore, with a family, I have very little time to test/ride, test/ride, so I just performed most of the mods on Dave's site and just got it over with. Maybe what it boils down to is that I've been a 4-stroker for so long that I just have grown accustom to that type of power...always an abundance of smooth, low-end power. It IS a sweet bike, especially for the money. Unfortunately, I may just unload it and go back to a bike with a cam or two. Sad because it has a street title, which in itself has become a bit of a hurdle just recently in Pennsylvania. Look for it on the F/S board. Thanks guys for all of your help.

Russ
 

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Just a thought

Before you dump it and move on pick up a CEL and CEK carb needle from carb parts or sudco and give it a try. Try the CEL in the middle clip to start

You might find the power delivery more to you liking. At 5.00 ea it won't break the bank.
 
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rev vs torque pipes

not sure if this'll help..., but:

my 99 220 was purchased used with an FMF rev pipe & turbine core silencer. even set up like this, "ol' gouge" has a much stronger and more tractable low end that my long forgotten RMX. one of my riding buddies has his 200 set up with a torque pipe & same silencer. except for the ergo's you'd have trouble telling the bikes apart. engine power characteristics are almost identical. another buddy has retained the stock pipe on his 220, and added a turbine core silencer. it pulls like a tractor from idle (like a stocker), and rev's considerable more than stock.

don't know how hard i'd listen to anybody telling me i'd ruinied my bike by installing the wrong pipe/silencer/airbox/jetting/etc. mods. maybe you ruined it for them..., but they're not riding it, eh? make the changes & have fun experimenting. you might find (like one DRN contributer) that you'll have one setup for one purpose, and setup differently for another purpose. hell..., it's easier to change pipes/silencers than it is to change a tire!!

if you don't have "gouges", you're not trying hard enough!
 
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If bottom end is what you're after..the rev on a 200 won't come close to a torque. I have both pipes..switch 'em and completely different jet sets to match depending on what sort of riding I wanna do and where I'm doing it.

Point is not to get into yet another rev /torque debate. That's why I bought one of each for starters..just to make up my own mind. Nothing I did with the rev setup wise ever got it to the grunt the torque does.

...and the rev is so darn big! Hangs out there just begging to be smushed!

Did someone tell you you ruined your bike making the changes? Baloney sausage!

BTW..my riding buddy has a '00 also. He doesn't have much trouble keeping up with any 4stroker you want..650s and under. If you are thinking of selling it cuz it's the 'little bike that couldn't'...give it a chance. You'll be surprised.

But then, if I rode 1/2 as good as he does, I'd be 10 times better'n I am now!
 
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Well...What about the stock pipe? Do you think IT would actually have MORE bottom end then the FMF Rev? I know it's definately a good bit heavier!

There must be something to that CEL needle. The guy at Sudco says they sell like hot cakes. He can't keep them in. Says that he has 100 of them on back order and doesn't expect them until at least the end of the month. I'll try Carb Parts Warehouse next. I wonder if it's the hot set-up for KTM's because the guy asked me if that's what I had.
 

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The stock pipe is a great ashtray/anchor/whatever, but horrible on
the bike.
I had someone ride my bike today and he commented it
couldn't be more different from his if he tried - he's running a PC
pipe/muffler, stiffer suspension, rad valve - I'm running an FMF
torque pipe/muffler (too lazy to change back to the PC, and just
having fun trying everything out again). He commented how it had
heaps more bottom end than his bike, so maybe you should check it out
before giving up on her. (I think his bike is an 00, mine's a 99 - he
just wanted to see how the steering damper worked) - I was just
amazed listening to the two bikes sound so different. (my husband was riding his, not me).
 
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Thanks Michelle, but I've already had both the rev and the torque pipe on the bike. I went back to the rev because I really didn't think the torque pipe had that much more low end over the rev, plus it gave up a lot more top end. After riding my brother's 200EXC, I'm not sure the KDX will ever achieve that kind of bottom end. Once again, my last two bikes have been an XR400 and an ATK605 so I'm use to a lot of low end. It would be great to find someone willing to trade for an XR250 or ATK605...Heck, I practically GAVE my 605 away...dumb move.

Russ
 

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Thats right! KDX's are slow and heavy and not fast at all! It's an old man/girls bike. Just ask my riding buddy on his 200mxc when he catches up here. He's always telling me what a better bike he has. I am so happy my KDX doesn't have the bottom end his ktm has.:p

I sure hope I can get a pumpkin next year.;)

Seriously Russ, it sounds like you are ready for the RB mod, Check the reeds and put a 13/50 sprocket combo if you haven't already. my 220 spanks my buddy's 200mxc in a 200 yd drag race every time. And my 15 yr old daugher at 5'4"' can putt around on it.But it won't ever have 520 exc bottom end.