It is one of those "Zen things," where you become one with the dirt to better understand it! As soon as Dunlop makes a tire that will stick the corners with slow, overweight people riding, I will buy it. The riding WAS really good, even though I caught more than a little grief from each of the guys that showed up for picking such a cold morning. The good side of it was, that it turned out beautifully. I'm doing everything I can to make a woods rider out of Butch (I need to keep him off of those dang mx tracks), and would probably attempt to do the same with Jay if he lived a little closer.