The Bottom Line
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- Dec 19, 2004
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Back in '99; I joined an atv club.
The result?
Their leadership evidently didn't 'like' me asking questions as to why one of our popular business member was very unhappy; why our top leadership consisted primarily of immediate family members; why certain "founding" members were about to receive benefits the rest of us wouldn't...or even why any club needed to be associated with any folk charging parents $25 to sit in on their own child's training classes....among a slew of many others.
Lo and behold, this person finally attained a position where he sat among other leaders of the orv community.
When the questions continued as to just exactly what he was "doing" (did/said/proposed, etc.) in the presence of all these traditional "go-to" people in the community....there was even worse stonewalling than ever before and even formal refusal of admittance to club meetings (I guess this person figured that there was even 'more' to not talk about at this "high security level"...).
After being called every name in the book for having the "audacity" to question this atv 'hero' every other one of these members looked up to for years with UNENDING praise and admiration....guess who finally got the screwing...and they all took off in a huff with their tail between their legs to form their own club.('imagine that'....).
Soooo......I 'forgave' these idiots in the interest of finally getting something done and started to ask them about the multi-user group our orv advisory board chairman formed that was supposed to be the answer to all of our prayers and a council on which they volunteered to be the light 4-wheeled "representative" or voice of.
Why....Deja Vu!!!
The question is plain and simple asked 'flat-out'....what HAS this group (the MMRC) been up to (if it even exists); and what HAVE they been telling the DNR that WE want as a multi-user group with now 'historic' representation?
The Answer???....YOU WOULD THINK THAT THESE GUYS WERE ALL MEMBERS OF 'THE MANHATTAN PROJECT' OR SOMETHING!!
They have continually refused (and still won't) say ONE WORD about what they have done at these meetings.....and I defy any one of you to google search the name "Michgan Recreational Riders Council" and find a word from them since the day they were formed (their founder even very NASTILY claimed that they had "nothing to say" when the public was invited to comment on this historic update plan....NOTHING!!!).
I mean it's just unbelievable, folks!
I'm in the process (right now) of having to file a Freedom of Information Act request for 'what'?....SOME kind of information (you can't get the board or department to release it) as to just exactly HOW our advisory board (translation: OUR voice in the DNR) has recommended that our DNR proceed in regards to an ultra-important 25 year update plan they have been working on for over a year and a half...and is supposed to be revealed inside of the next month!
What do all of these guys do?....prick their finger and sign in blood that none of them will ever reveal the secrets of their little ya ya sisterhood?
And tell me something...how in the heck can this orv community just sit back and let their meetings with the DNR be cut form 6 to 4...then let THEIR OWN ADVISORY BOARD cancel yet another meeting (we're going on half a year now with nary a word from anybody on anything)...BECAUSE THE DNR ADMITS 'OFF THE RECORD' THAT THEY DON'T LIKE HAVING TO BE SUBJECTED TO PUBLIC COMMENTARY WHEN THEY HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO REPORT !!!
Welllllllll...... how about the advisory board holding their regularly scheduled meeting to get OUR input or (god forbid) report to US what in the heck THEY are doing as OUR representatives?
Or are we so darn unimportant... that if the DNR doesn't want to be there....what use is there of even meeting?
The level of true involvement in what happens behind the scenes here in Michgan off-roading is truly sickening and believe me....we are truly the "laughingstock" of this entire region (just ask anybody who has butted heads with these bozos in other capacities in different associations).
And if you don't believe me....just ask where the next $4 out of your increased sticker fee is going to go? (If you live in western Michigan or the U.P....you'll LOVE this one....).
The result?
Their leadership evidently didn't 'like' me asking questions as to why one of our popular business member was very unhappy; why our top leadership consisted primarily of immediate family members; why certain "founding" members were about to receive benefits the rest of us wouldn't...or even why any club needed to be associated with any folk charging parents $25 to sit in on their own child's training classes....among a slew of many others.
Lo and behold, this person finally attained a position where he sat among other leaders of the orv community.
When the questions continued as to just exactly what he was "doing" (did/said/proposed, etc.) in the presence of all these traditional "go-to" people in the community....there was even worse stonewalling than ever before and even formal refusal of admittance to club meetings (I guess this person figured that there was even 'more' to not talk about at this "high security level"...).
After being called every name in the book for having the "audacity" to question this atv 'hero' every other one of these members looked up to for years with UNENDING praise and admiration....guess who finally got the screwing...and they all took off in a huff with their tail between their legs to form their own club.('imagine that'....).
Soooo......I 'forgave' these idiots in the interest of finally getting something done and started to ask them about the multi-user group our orv advisory board chairman formed that was supposed to be the answer to all of our prayers and a council on which they volunteered to be the light 4-wheeled "representative" or voice of.
Why....Deja Vu!!!
The question is plain and simple asked 'flat-out'....what HAS this group (the MMRC) been up to (if it even exists); and what HAVE they been telling the DNR that WE want as a multi-user group with now 'historic' representation?
The Answer???....YOU WOULD THINK THAT THESE GUYS WERE ALL MEMBERS OF 'THE MANHATTAN PROJECT' OR SOMETHING!!
They have continually refused (and still won't) say ONE WORD about what they have done at these meetings.....and I defy any one of you to google search the name "Michgan Recreational Riders Council" and find a word from them since the day they were formed (their founder even very NASTILY claimed that they had "nothing to say" when the public was invited to comment on this historic update plan....NOTHING!!!).
I mean it's just unbelievable, folks!
I'm in the process (right now) of having to file a Freedom of Information Act request for 'what'?....SOME kind of information (you can't get the board or department to release it) as to just exactly HOW our advisory board (translation: OUR voice in the DNR) has recommended that our DNR proceed in regards to an ultra-important 25 year update plan they have been working on for over a year and a half...and is supposed to be revealed inside of the next month!
What do all of these guys do?....prick their finger and sign in blood that none of them will ever reveal the secrets of their little ya ya sisterhood?
And tell me something...how in the heck can this orv community just sit back and let their meetings with the DNR be cut form 6 to 4...then let THEIR OWN ADVISORY BOARD cancel yet another meeting (we're going on half a year now with nary a word from anybody on anything)...BECAUSE THE DNR ADMITS 'OFF THE RECORD' THAT THEY DON'T LIKE HAVING TO BE SUBJECTED TO PUBLIC COMMENTARY WHEN THEY HAVE NOTHING FURTHER TO REPORT !!!
Welllllllll...... how about the advisory board holding their regularly scheduled meeting to get OUR input or (god forbid) report to US what in the heck THEY are doing as OUR representatives?
Or are we so darn unimportant... that if the DNR doesn't want to be there....what use is there of even meeting?
The level of true involvement in what happens behind the scenes here in Michgan off-roading is truly sickening and believe me....we are truly the "laughingstock" of this entire region (just ask anybody who has butted heads with these bozos in other capacities in different associations).
And if you don't believe me....just ask where the next $4 out of your increased sticker fee is going to go? (If you live in western Michigan or the U.P....you'll LOVE this one....).
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