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Message: [QUOTE="Rich Rohrich, post: 33809, member: 16241"] John, not knowing what else is going on in your system there is no way for anyone to give you a definitive answer, but I can speculate based on experience. It's not uncommon for hard training athletes to not get enough carbs, and carbs are part of the cycle that makes creatine work. So it's possible that you adding extra fast carbs helps drive the process overall. My point is, that if this is the case, you would likely get the same effects taking creatine in the morning and the fast carbs at night. While you are certainly entitled to believe that 5gm is enough for someone your size, I'll gaurantee you that thinking like that will pretty much ensure that there will always be old broken down guys like me who are stronger than you [img]http://dirtrider-forum.com/forums/ubb/smile2.gif[/img] ------------------ Rich Rohrich Applied Fluid Dynamics rich@dirtrider.net www.eric-gorr.com [/QUOTE]