Working out part III

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This damn web-tv won't let me reply to the other thread.


Rich,
    How do you explain why I get absolutley
nothing out of creatine without carbs? And when I add 40 grams of high glycemic carbs to the equation, something *magical* happens. Its difinatly not a placebo effect either. I have about a dozen other people of this regimen, and they have exerienced very similar results as mine.
  You say the 5 grams might work for the smaller athlete, but I'm certainly not a small guy at 225lbs with 10% bodyfat. Even though I'm only 5'7'.
  The only thing a 45 gram a day dose of creatine is doing is keeping the CEO of Twinlab VERY happy.<p align=right>01-12-2000 :Edited
 
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LoL, ok could you guys please put all this in english for me so I can do whatever. I have no idea where to start or what all that Frech you guys where talking about means. So, should I take this or that with this or that. I am 5'10" 155lbs. I would love to get about 165 or so. So what should I take with what to get there? Thanks!

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racerx,
to go from 155 to 165 you need to eat 40 quarterpounders a McSleeze, but only 20 doubles at Windy's.

OR
you can come eat dinner with me and i'll fatten you up.&nbsp;&nbsp;now gaining 10lbs of lean mass (that is muscle) is a LOT harder than gaining it in fat.&nbsp;&nbsp;takes lots of exercise and food.&nbsp;&nbsp;you gotta eat 2000 extra calories (i think that is the right number) to gain 1lb.&nbsp;&nbsp;so start pumping iron and eating the good stuff.

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Hey guys, help me take this line of thought the *other* way...

I'm 41 years old, 6'1" and weigh in at about 235 lbs.&nbsp;&nbsp;I have no idea of what my body fat ratio is, just that it seems to be mostly located around my waist.&nbsp;&nbsp;


I would really like to loose about 40 lbs and get my sorry butt in shape.&nbsp;&nbsp;I know I need to excercise more, and I feel like I need to change my eating habits as I appear to be a carbohydrate junkie.&nbsp;&nbsp;At least according to the *latest* book I'm reading "The Carbohydrate Addict's Lifespan Program".

Do you guys know of any programs or have any idea on what direction I should go to try and get where I want to be?

In all seriousness, I want to do this not just for the effect it could have on my riding, but I'd like to be able to ride with my grandkids one day, not just watch them ride, you know?


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John, not knowing what else is going on in your system there is no way for anyone to give you a definitive answer, but I can speculate based on experience. It's not uncommon for hard training athletes to not get enough carbs, and carbs are part of the cycle that makes creatine work. So it's possible that you adding extra fast carbs helps drive the process overall. My point is, that if this is the case, you would likely get the same effects taking creatine in the morning and the fast carbs at night.

While you are certainly entitled to believe that 5gm is enough for someone your size, I'll gaurantee you that thinking like that will pretty much ensure that there will always be old broken down guys like me who are stronger than you





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Bruce, in all seriousness take a look at the programs that Met-RX recommends. I have used the product since it's early field trial days, and have had nothing but good results with it. I know Okie's wife was trying it this summer and he was telling me that she has been getting great results.&nbsp;&nbsp;Of the 100 or so people I've gotten to try it in the last 10 years, I haven't found anyone who didn't take something positive away from the experience. I'm 41, and I should come into this spring weighing about 218 @ 7-8% bodyfat on a 5' 5" frame. Met-Rx constitutes about 75% of calories when I am training hard.&nbsp;&nbsp;That and a decent training program can do remarkable things.




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RacerX you are fairly young right? If so, forget about the supplements, loose the junk food and train like a MANIAC. You're natural hormone profile is better than any supplement (and most drugs) if you just get off your ass and start training. When you are old like some of us you'll be glad you trained hard early on.



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racerX,
WHAT Rich SAID!!!
if you're young you need to be training, eating vitimines and saying your prayers (or something like this).&nbsp;&nbsp;i used to train over 6 hours a day and was consuming 10,000+ calories a day.&nbsp;&nbsp;i could not gain a pound to save my life.&nbsp;&nbsp;train, train, train.&nbsp;&nbsp;it really is the answer.

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Now Rich,
     Lets not get into a pissing match about who's stronger. Even though I did bench 435lb for a triple last saturday, and hit 495 for 8 on squats yesterday


I do agree with you though that Met-rx is a VERY high quality protein, probably the best protein on the market right now. When I diet I drink about 4 Met-rx packets a day out of my 6 total meals, although I do add flax & olive oil to the drink.
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Rich -

That product is available at GNC stores if I remember correctly.&nbsp;&nbsp;I've never really looked into it though.&nbsp;&nbsp;What is it? Supplements and an excercise program maybe?

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Bruce it's basically a meal replacement when you are trying to drop weight, and supplemental protein when you are in maintenance mode. GNC has it but they charge too much unless you buy it on their gold card program, there are lots of companies that discount it.

If you send me you regular mail address I'll send you one of the little books that comes in the box. It has some training info, and some other useful info. The MetRx website has a good FAQ as well that covers a lot.
 
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John, I'm smart enough not to get in strength contests with lifters that weren't even born when I started lifting




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You guys are serious about this stuff!!  But, for Bruce and racerx, from what I read, they aren't trying to get into powerlifing or bodybuilding.  Sounds like they just want to build some muscle & drop some weight ( well add weight for racerx) and basically get into better shape for riding.  

From my experience (not nearly as extensive as any of the experts here) eating HEALTHY with some vitamin supplements and getting some type of regular exercise including aerobic & strength training is all that most people need, well that and a hell of a lot of determination.

I grew up as an athlete (BB, VB & Track 400 m
)through high school, Division 1 College volleyball & a few years playing probeach volleyball then, after marriage, kids, work, stress... got out of shape - 20 lbs over what I wanted to weigh (over 15% bodyfat
).  It has taken me the last two years of serious work to get back into what I consider good shape i.e. I can ride my bike & keep up with the guys & most importantly SEE my muscles. It ain't easy but a simple tip, find what works for you and DO IT.

There are tons of good solid workout programs out there, on the net, in magazines, in the other thread...the key is finding one you LIKE and sticking with it.  The perfect mix of lifting & running will work for some but if you hate running or lifting, it won't work for you so do something else.

Same with the food.  Everybody is different but, there are all kinds of diet programs to build, lose..... Try one, if it doesn't work try a different one.  I have seen people lose 30, 40 lbs on Weight Watchers and some of the other group type things, myself, I prefer to just go it alone & eat healthy foods with the occasional overindulgence of beer. If I eat too much I just double up on workouts with my limited time.

Make the time to do it - if a single mom of two (sometimes 4 + one big baby) that lives on a mountain (i.e. lots of maintenance) & works 50 hours a week can do it ANYBODY can.  Keep in mind, this isn't supposed to be a quick fix, you did not get overweight or outashape overnight.  Working out is a lifelong commitment if you want to maintain you physical strength.

Okay, you guys can make fun of me now!!
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I like the idea of using Met-Rx.&nbsp;&nbsp;With my schedule I do not eat healthy.&nbsp;&nbsp;I do not have the time or inclination (more of the latter) to fix myself the best meals.&nbsp;&nbsp;I try to eat salads and well balanced meals where I can but it is not consistent enough.

I really want my wife to eat better because she works out a lot and has a problem with her Thyroid.&nbsp;&nbsp;She is on synthroid and I am wondering if she can take the Met-Rx stuff to.&nbsp;&nbsp;I know she can't have anything with Chromium-Picolonate (sp?) but other than that she can have whatever.

What is the name of the Met-Rx product we should start with.&nbsp;&nbsp;I hate the bars, they are too dry?&nbsp;&nbsp;How are the drinks/mix/whatever?

TIA

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bbbom -&nbsp;&nbsp;You hit the nail on the head.&nbsp;&nbsp;I didn't get like this overnight...

I've tried various diets at different times only to be left HUNGRY!!!!&nbsp;&nbsp;ARRRRGGGGGHHH but I love to eat!&nbsp;&nbsp;I never can seem to stick to them because of the fact that I end up getting discouraged and left unsatisfied.

My sister got me a book for Christmas that I have begun reading that makes about as much since as anything I've heard of or read lately.&nbsp;&nbsp;It deals with carbohydrates and insulin levels, suggesting what appears to be a fairly easy to follow 'meal plan' (not a diet) and using a building block system of getting to where you want to be.&nbsp;&nbsp;It is stressing a change in lifestyle/commitment for life type thing.&nbsp;&nbsp;*sigh*&nbsp;&nbsp;Sounds like getting married...&nbsp;&nbsp;But what I've read thusfar sounds logical.

Rich is going to be sending me some info on the Met-Rx plan, I'm looking forward to that.

You were also correct in that I have no desire to be a body builder, nor do I have the time to get into serious training.&nbsp;&nbsp;I'm really looking for a way to get rid of my 'dunlop' (you know, my belly dunlopped over my belt *g*), and get into reasonable shape.&nbsp;&nbsp;

I went to the doctor for a physical shortly after my 40th birthday and he told me that I needed to start planning for the 'front porch'.&nbsp;&nbsp;He said, "Do you want to watching your grandkids ride from the front porch, or do you want to go riding with them?"&nbsp;&nbsp;

Got my attention, but so far I've done little about it.&nbsp;&nbsp;Somehow, I've got to get motivated to do this...

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