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Josh,
Never once did I disrespect you on working in Mcdonalds. In fact I respect most people who go out and work to better themselves no matter what job they do.
With that being said I still don't believe that YOU THINK we should give you sympathy because you are basicly crying for it. What happens when a street fight breaks out and someone has a loaded weapon? someone will probably get shot, whether the guy who has the gun uses it or the other person disarms him and uses it. It is very possible the officer seen a situation like this brewing and quelled it quickly. The officer has a loaded weapon on him and if he suspected a brawl to break out I am sure one of the first things in his mind is his weapon isn't going to shoot him. He took your buddy down and cuffed him and rendered him nonthreatening. Did the officer continue to beat him while he was cuffed and rendered non threatening . That would be abusive in my eyes but otherwise it was smart decisive thinking in my opinion and nobody went home in a body bag.
Now the issue of drugs. When I was younger and fooled around with them things I used to whine about not having things myself till a true friend, sick of me crying said " if life is so rough why are you wasting your money on drugs?" I haven't touch the stuff since what to forget pain? are you ever going to forget the things that happened to you ? not until you turn yourself into a complete vegetable. You will be better off in the long run going to therapist or church and talking to someone who will actually listen than to be spouting off in some hazed anger to a bunch of people who are only there because you are lighting up.
Now about respect, you may have had some rough things happen to you that I don't wish on anyone. There are more than enough people out there that are willing to help you if you are putting out an honest effort... but not everyone. To demand that we owe you something just because life sucks is not the way to do it though. Sour grapes about how somebody may have been fortunate enough have friends and relatives help them is not going to help your cause one bit. If you feel that the world thinks you are a scumbag or whatever prove them wrong. Make something out of yourself put all of your anger ,frustration and energy into going to school and getting a better job<your halfway there right>. The world will thank you for it and more importantly 20 years from now you will thank yourself.
Never once did I disrespect you on working in Mcdonalds. In fact I respect most people who go out and work to better themselves no matter what job they do.
With that being said I still don't believe that YOU THINK we should give you sympathy because you are basicly crying for it. What happens when a street fight breaks out and someone has a loaded weapon? someone will probably get shot, whether the guy who has the gun uses it or the other person disarms him and uses it. It is very possible the officer seen a situation like this brewing and quelled it quickly. The officer has a loaded weapon on him and if he suspected a brawl to break out I am sure one of the first things in his mind is his weapon isn't going to shoot him. He took your buddy down and cuffed him and rendered him nonthreatening. Did the officer continue to beat him while he was cuffed and rendered non threatening . That would be abusive in my eyes but otherwise it was smart decisive thinking in my opinion and nobody went home in a body bag.
Now the issue of drugs. When I was younger and fooled around with them things I used to whine about not having things myself till a true friend, sick of me crying said " if life is so rough why are you wasting your money on drugs?" I haven't touch the stuff since what to forget pain? are you ever going to forget the things that happened to you ? not until you turn yourself into a complete vegetable. You will be better off in the long run going to therapist or church and talking to someone who will actually listen than to be spouting off in some hazed anger to a bunch of people who are only there because you are lighting up.
Now about respect, you may have had some rough things happen to you that I don't wish on anyone. There are more than enough people out there that are willing to help you if you are putting out an honest effort... but not everyone. To demand that we owe you something just because life sucks is not the way to do it though. Sour grapes about how somebody may have been fortunate enough have friends and relatives help them is not going to help your cause one bit. If you feel that the world thinks you are a scumbag or whatever prove them wrong. Make something out of yourself put all of your anger ,frustration and energy into going to school and getting a better job<your halfway there right>. The world will thank you for it and more importantly 20 years from now you will thank yourself.
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Chris Rock could've really helped your friend.
Go to the following link and scroll down to episode 51, click on the "PSA: How Not To Get Your Ass Kicked By The Police"
http://www.hbo.com/rock/cmp/episodes.html
Go to the following link and scroll down to episode 51, click on the "PSA: How Not To Get Your Ass Kicked By The Police"
http://www.hbo.com/rock/cmp/episodes.html
If you read the news it isn`t hard to see that some people just shouldn`t be police officers. The 17 year old may or may not have deserved the treatment , hard to say without the facts of the situation.
I have been around the police since I was 12 years old as I have family that retired from public service. Abuse of authority goes on much more than most people think.
I have been around the police since I was 12 years old as I have family that retired from public service. Abuse of authority goes on much more than most people think.
SociaRacing
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Not sure if anyone's noticed this yet.....but The Josh sounds an awful lot like the guy that was whining about getting fired from Fox for smoking pot a while back.....dude go back to the mental mulisha and quit griping, if your friend was cruisin around with pot in his car or smoking it period he deserves to be choked, and if you race you should be choked for hangin out with the guy, we don't need that in our sport. I went through my "rebel/badboy/tough guy" phase, I'm FIFTEEN and I think that stuff is immature. Being a hooligan isn't going to get you any pity from the world so deal with it dude. But, as far as police brutality goes, I bet you're outlook on treatment of suspects changes severely when something of yours gets stolen or some POTHEADS run into you on the road and total your car.
Walk a mile in the cops shoes. That way if you do, and you still don't understand their actions, you're a mile away and you've got their shoes.
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Walk a mile in the cops shoes. That way if you do, and you still don't understand their actions, you're a mile away and you've got their shoes.
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SociaRacing
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Oh, and one more thing....
If you think the police officers up there in Washington are bad, you should try Texas! Around here we treat people superior to us (such as police) with respect, your bud should consider himself lucky he got off with getting choked or whatever, down here it probably would have been worse.
If you think the police officers up there in Washington are bad, you should try Texas! Around here we treat people superior to us (such as police) with respect, your bud should consider himself lucky he got off with getting choked or whatever, down here it probably would have been worse.
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I think everything has been summed up pretty well...here are my thoughts:
Yes, you have had a rough life. I'm sincerely sorry to hear that. There is nothing dishonorable about dropping out of high school to work for the money needed in order to survive. It was what you had to do.
You shouldn't have wasted the money on drugs and alcohol. It may have seemed like the best way to escape your problems, but the reality is that they are still there! It just makes them seem like they are gone. The best way to handle the situation is to take a step back and think. What is the best way to handle this?
You should have sense enough to realize that the cop reacted in a manner so that nobody was going to be injured. Was your friend hurt? Or just subdued? How are you to know what would have happened if the cop didn't use force? Are you sure that your buddy would have been peaceful? Or would have acted violently? If so, the cop may have needed to pull the gun on him. You may have even been shot in the process, especially if you decided to try to help your buddy out in a struggle. Have you thought of that? Be thankful that the cop thought quickly and clearly enough to see that there was a possible danger, and possibly saved the lives of all present that day.
Good for you for being in college and having a steady job. It isn't easy to be in college and work steady. It takes dedication and responsibility. Keep going, you're on the way.
I admit that I sometimes have a quick temper. I never get violent, but I can yell! I have the clarity of mind to realize that it is a problem of mine, and that it is not acceptable behavior, ESPECIALLY to people in positions of authority. I also realize that there are better, more descriptive words out there that get the point across much better than the ones that need to be ****'d out!
About the run-on sentence thing: it is much easier to read and understand someone when they use proper grammar and punctuation. That is their purpose! If not to show that you're at least somewhat intelligent, use it to make sure that what you say is heard and understood by everyone. That will get you much more respect around here when you complain about something as radical as this. People can ONLY respond to what they SEE, make sure that you are giving them the information you WANT them to base their responses on!
By the way, I am 19 right now. I know how a lot of teenagers act. I am ashamed to be a part of this group just because of the bad decisions so many of them make. You can't just assume that you're going to grow up. You have to make it happen. Don't think that you can be irresponsible while you're a teenager and then magically become successful. Maybe your friend has gotten something to think about from this incident. Hopefully you will do the same.
Deep respect goes out to all police officers! Thank you for making our community safe through all that you do!
Sorry for being long-winded, but when I have something to say, I say it!
--Nate
Yes, you have had a rough life. I'm sincerely sorry to hear that. There is nothing dishonorable about dropping out of high school to work for the money needed in order to survive. It was what you had to do.
You shouldn't have wasted the money on drugs and alcohol. It may have seemed like the best way to escape your problems, but the reality is that they are still there! It just makes them seem like they are gone. The best way to handle the situation is to take a step back and think. What is the best way to handle this?
You should have sense enough to realize that the cop reacted in a manner so that nobody was going to be injured. Was your friend hurt? Or just subdued? How are you to know what would have happened if the cop didn't use force? Are you sure that your buddy would have been peaceful? Or would have acted violently? If so, the cop may have needed to pull the gun on him. You may have even been shot in the process, especially if you decided to try to help your buddy out in a struggle. Have you thought of that? Be thankful that the cop thought quickly and clearly enough to see that there was a possible danger, and possibly saved the lives of all present that day.
Good for you for being in college and having a steady job. It isn't easy to be in college and work steady. It takes dedication and responsibility. Keep going, you're on the way.
I admit that I sometimes have a quick temper. I never get violent, but I can yell! I have the clarity of mind to realize that it is a problem of mine, and that it is not acceptable behavior, ESPECIALLY to people in positions of authority. I also realize that there are better, more descriptive words out there that get the point across much better than the ones that need to be ****'d out!
About the run-on sentence thing: it is much easier to read and understand someone when they use proper grammar and punctuation. That is their purpose! If not to show that you're at least somewhat intelligent, use it to make sure that what you say is heard and understood by everyone. That will get you much more respect around here when you complain about something as radical as this. People can ONLY respond to what they SEE, make sure that you are giving them the information you WANT them to base their responses on!
By the way, I am 19 right now. I know how a lot of teenagers act. I am ashamed to be a part of this group just because of the bad decisions so many of them make. You can't just assume that you're going to grow up. You have to make it happen. Don't think that you can be irresponsible while you're a teenager and then magically become successful. Maybe your friend has gotten something to think about from this incident. Hopefully you will do the same.
Deep respect goes out to all police officers! Thank you for making our community safe through all that you do!
Sorry for being long-winded, but when I have something to say, I say it!
--Nate
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Hate to keep postin on this one but I still have some words to get out! Okie and all, I hope ya'll know there are still some good ol boys left in this world, not all the youths of today are victims of bad upbringing. The way I see it, it IS the parents' faults. My parents taught me to have respect for my elders and to this day I do. I get my attention from adults by just being a good kid, I don't have to run around cussing or destroying stuff, my parents would knock my head off. I won't even go into riding around with drugs in my car or someone else's. I think what this josh guy needs is his parents to teach him a little discipline and get him some friends that know respect.
If this guy thinks he's going anywhere as far as motocross is concerned, he's dead wrong. I know from 5 years of working my butt off to get where I am right now (Still got a looong way to go..) that this sport requires more discipline and respect than ANY other ones, trust me, I've tried them all.
Josh I challenge you to do this: instead of bringing down the rep of the young guns in motocross, get yourself a training program and start working your butt off every day so you wont have time to get in trouble. It's been working for me 5 years strong. Keep yourself occupied with something worth your time and you'll keep yourself outta trouble.
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The Josh; if the cop had been really out of control; he would have given both of you a face full of pepper spray. The "knee in the neck" and the handcuffs are not nearly as bad as the pepper spray. Oh; and if you haven't picked this up quite yet: Stay away from gang members . So tell us; how did you manage to escape similar treatment from this "bad cop".
Life has dealt you a rotten hand. It happens. It is up to you to overcome the adversity and make a good life for yourself. You seem to be doing a lot of right things, but you might look hard at your recent experience and learn from it. As a man does.
Elk; I have a question regarding the use of handcuffs, particularly the use of two sets or the double-locking of one set. I have a buddy (really!) that won a trip to jail for mouthing off to a cop. It started at a McDonalds when Buddy had to wait for 15 minutes for a burger. When he finally got the burger his fries were cold. He got mouthy with the girl behind the counter and she called the cops. The officer (turns out this officer was dating the girl behind the counter) arrived just as Buddy was sitting down to (finally) eat his burger. It got ugly and Buddy was asked to step outside. No problem. Up against the car. No problem, but I am quite sure that Buddys' mouth was still running. The cuffs got installed tight! I might add that Buddy is 5'10" and 260#. Don't get the wrong idea though, he is fat, not frightening. Then Buddy got pushed into the back seat roughly. This tightened the cuffs to the point that they were cutting in and bleeding a bit. All the way to the jail. All through the check-in procedure. Once he was installed in a cell, then the cuffs came off.
His wife called me to get him out, as I know all the local cops, and they released him to me with no problem.
If we can overlook the blatant stupidity of the situation, I would like to ask what policy is on double locking the handcuffs, or using two pair on the big guys?
My take on the situation is that the cop knew precisely what he was doing and was using a considerable amount of physical pain to "teach Buddy a lesson". I welcome your comments.
A note about Buddy. He was 35 years old at the time, no tattoos, neatly dressed, driving his company van, wearing his company shirt, had his 16 year old son with him, but sort of like a wolverine, don't interfere with his food, he takes eating very, very seriously. :laugh:
Life has dealt you a rotten hand. It happens. It is up to you to overcome the adversity and make a good life for yourself. You seem to be doing a lot of right things, but you might look hard at your recent experience and learn from it. As a man does.
Elk; I have a question regarding the use of handcuffs, particularly the use of two sets or the double-locking of one set. I have a buddy (really!) that won a trip to jail for mouthing off to a cop. It started at a McDonalds when Buddy had to wait for 15 minutes for a burger. When he finally got the burger his fries were cold. He got mouthy with the girl behind the counter and she called the cops. The officer (turns out this officer was dating the girl behind the counter) arrived just as Buddy was sitting down to (finally) eat his burger. It got ugly and Buddy was asked to step outside. No problem. Up against the car. No problem, but I am quite sure that Buddys' mouth was still running. The cuffs got installed tight! I might add that Buddy is 5'10" and 260#. Don't get the wrong idea though, he is fat, not frightening. Then Buddy got pushed into the back seat roughly. This tightened the cuffs to the point that they were cutting in and bleeding a bit. All the way to the jail. All through the check-in procedure. Once he was installed in a cell, then the cuffs came off.
His wife called me to get him out, as I know all the local cops, and they released him to me with no problem.
If we can overlook the blatant stupidity of the situation, I would like to ask what policy is on double locking the handcuffs, or using two pair on the big guys?
My take on the situation is that the cop knew precisely what he was doing and was using a considerable amount of physical pain to "teach Buddy a lesson". I welcome your comments.
A note about Buddy. He was 35 years old at the time, no tattoos, neatly dressed, driving his company van, wearing his company shirt, had his 16 year old son with him, but sort of like a wolverine, don't interfere with his food, he takes eating very, very seriously. :laugh:
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Nah, cause eminem whines to make millions, and if you ever seen him in an interview he's actually not that much of a whiner. I personally like his music, the man can flow.
Josh - dude, you need some help. Say what you want, but if you drink a whole lot to get rid of a problem then what you have done is created another problem. You can't be responsible for anyone elses actions. You went through some hell, but now you make 25K a year. I think that it's fine if you smoke weed, I have no problem with that. Big deal!! I mean you work all day and your not hurting anyone else (I'm assuming you would be responsible with it) right?! but go join a gang/ hang out with those people and you will be treated like the shi* they are period. How many people has your so called "friend" robbed or hurt or even worse? I think it's called the "Karma-credit plan"! the thing that sucks about karma is it always comes back 10 fold.
ELK - I agree with you that you should respect everyone until they give you a reason not too(I think I said that some where in here). I always try to respect the people I come in contact with authority figures or not. I am still young so I sometimes find difficulty doing this but I do try my best. A little respect can get you a long way in life and I have started relizing that in the past few years. No, I would not put up with someone "dissin'" me, unless it was my job and even then only to a certain extent. As I said before it IS easy for me to say what I probably woulda, coulda, shoulda done but it is imposible for me to say what I actually would have done if I were in the officers shoes.
Josh - dude, you need some help. Say what you want, but if you drink a whole lot to get rid of a problem then what you have done is created another problem. You can't be responsible for anyone elses actions. You went through some hell, but now you make 25K a year. I think that it's fine if you smoke weed, I have no problem with that. Big deal!! I mean you work all day and your not hurting anyone else (I'm assuming you would be responsible with it) right?! but go join a gang/ hang out with those people and you will be treated like the shi* they are period. How many people has your so called "friend" robbed or hurt or even worse? I think it's called the "Karma-credit plan"! the thing that sucks about karma is it always comes back 10 fold.
ELK - I agree with you that you should respect everyone until they give you a reason not too(I think I said that some where in here). I always try to respect the people I come in contact with authority figures or not. I am still young so I sometimes find difficulty doing this but I do try my best. A little respect can get you a long way in life and I have started relizing that in the past few years. No, I would not put up with someone "dissin'" me, unless it was my job and even then only to a certain extent. As I said before it IS easy for me to say what I probably woulda, coulda, shoulda done but it is imposible for me to say what I actually would have done if I were in the officers shoes.
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This realy turend out well I have to say, shows the maturity level of all our members here.;)
WFO, all I can say is that they have double locks for a reason so as not to tighten up on transport. I have not transported anyone without doing this, no matter how much I disliked them our what they did. In the end, I want them to pay for what they did, not me pay them.;) It's out policy to do this and I'm sure most other departments aas well. I've used 2 pair on really large folks but not that often. They are still human and stuffing them into a car with one set of cuffs that should have been two, well although I'd like to, it ain't worth it I guess. They'll get there's in the end anyway.
WFO, all I can say is that they have double locks for a reason so as not to tighten up on transport. I have not transported anyone without doing this, no matter how much I disliked them our what they did. In the end, I want them to pay for what they did, not me pay them.;) It's out policy to do this and I'm sure most other departments aas well. I've used 2 pair on really large folks but not that often. They are still human and stuffing them into a car with one set of cuffs that should have been two, well although I'd like to, it ain't worth it I guess. They'll get there's in the end anyway.
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I was driving back from the central California coast today (about 200 miles away), within 2 miles of my house, when I got pulled over by the California Highway Patrol. Two tickets, one for being in the #1 freeway lane with a trailer (didn't know that was illegal) and a second for towing a trailer too fast (it's a different speed limit in California). Might have to resort to throwing the dirt bikes back in the truck instead of a trailer.
But, I'm happy to report, NO POLICE BRUTALITY!!!!
One the other side of the coin, I was arrested last year at the "Big City" Airport at the carry on baggage check by a uniformed Big City Police Officer. I would describe myself as perhaps opposite in every regard to the fellow who started this thread. I'm over 40, married, 3 kids, never tried any kind of drug ever (don't even take aspirin), homeowner, 19 year career federal government employee, college degree, Marine Corps veteran, no tatoos, short hair, clean shaven, never been arrested before, blah, blah. In other words, an overall pretty conservative guy who I don't believe would instill the fear in a police officer that a large, doped up gang banger on a dark night may :confused:
Initially, the issue to my arrest was that the baggage checkers were not sure that the two tools in one of my bags (pliers and adjustable jar "crescent" wrench) were legal on the plane. Baggage checker supervisor is called over and initally tells the employee that they were harmless, and therefore OK on the plane. The City Police Officer assigned to that station approached the supervisor and said that they were not OK, and that he was confiscating them. The baggage supervisor then told me that in lieu of confiscation, I could throw the tools away myself, or have them "checked in" as baggage. However, BC Police Officer said no, he was going to confiscate them anyway.
These tools were worth about $2. Anyhoo, heated debate ensues over taking my property which admittedly poses no risk, and which other options exist to deal with them. From this point on, it was a huge "I'm in charge, you're a piece of sh*t, I'll do what ever I want 'cuz I'm the fuzz." type arguement. He asked for an I.D., which I happily provided.
My Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) I.D. was clipped on my shirt pocket, so I removed it and gave it to him. Keep in mind, I'm in an airport. He says, and I quote, "that ain't no good here." I question what kind of a police officer works at any airport who wouldn't recognize this I.D. More debate, which leads to getting handcuffed, escorted through the terminal to the interrogation room, where I'm denied a restroom break, or even allowed to stand up. Man, I had to pee!
But, I *never* thought I'd say I'd be happy to see TSA (our new, post 9/11 Transportation Security) and FAA Security show up to see me. It was like the Lone Ranger riding into town when they entered the tiny room. The FAA Security guy whips out his I.D. and badge to identify himself to me... the same I.D. that I have. I almost cried. Yes, I was released, and flew out of the airport back home 6 hours after I entered Big City Airport.
Yes, these jerks from Big City Police tried their best to get the Big County District Attorney to file crimminal charges against me (what those charges would be, they weren't sure, but they had a year to figure it out, they said), and report me to my employer to "get me in trouble".
Well, I'm not going to jail, or court, nor am I getting "in trouble" at work. My employer, FAA, of course, did do a required formal internal investigation (similar to a police "internal affairs"). And it's handy being married to a former City and District Attorney.
I've got 9 years before I retire to even the score. You see, these "police" fly planes, and I initiate "violations" to folks who make mistakes while flying planes.... hee, hee. :moon: Oh, and they still owe me two wrenches ;)
But, I'm happy to report, NO POLICE BRUTALITY!!!!
One the other side of the coin, I was arrested last year at the "Big City" Airport at the carry on baggage check by a uniformed Big City Police Officer. I would describe myself as perhaps opposite in every regard to the fellow who started this thread. I'm over 40, married, 3 kids, never tried any kind of drug ever (don't even take aspirin), homeowner, 19 year career federal government employee, college degree, Marine Corps veteran, no tatoos, short hair, clean shaven, never been arrested before, blah, blah. In other words, an overall pretty conservative guy who I don't believe would instill the fear in a police officer that a large, doped up gang banger on a dark night may :confused:
Initially, the issue to my arrest was that the baggage checkers were not sure that the two tools in one of my bags (pliers and adjustable jar "crescent" wrench) were legal on the plane. Baggage checker supervisor is called over and initally tells the employee that they were harmless, and therefore OK on the plane. The City Police Officer assigned to that station approached the supervisor and said that they were not OK, and that he was confiscating them. The baggage supervisor then told me that in lieu of confiscation, I could throw the tools away myself, or have them "checked in" as baggage. However, BC Police Officer said no, he was going to confiscate them anyway.
These tools were worth about $2. Anyhoo, heated debate ensues over taking my property which admittedly poses no risk, and which other options exist to deal with them. From this point on, it was a huge "I'm in charge, you're a piece of sh*t, I'll do what ever I want 'cuz I'm the fuzz." type arguement. He asked for an I.D., which I happily provided.
My Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) I.D. was clipped on my shirt pocket, so I removed it and gave it to him. Keep in mind, I'm in an airport. He says, and I quote, "that ain't no good here." I question what kind of a police officer works at any airport who wouldn't recognize this I.D. More debate, which leads to getting handcuffed, escorted through the terminal to the interrogation room, where I'm denied a restroom break, or even allowed to stand up. Man, I had to pee!
But, I *never* thought I'd say I'd be happy to see TSA (our new, post 9/11 Transportation Security) and FAA Security show up to see me. It was like the Lone Ranger riding into town when they entered the tiny room. The FAA Security guy whips out his I.D. and badge to identify himself to me... the same I.D. that I have. I almost cried. Yes, I was released, and flew out of the airport back home 6 hours after I entered Big City Airport.
Yes, these jerks from Big City Police tried their best to get the Big County District Attorney to file crimminal charges against me (what those charges would be, they weren't sure, but they had a year to figure it out, they said), and report me to my employer to "get me in trouble".
Well, I'm not going to jail, or court, nor am I getting "in trouble" at work. My employer, FAA, of course, did do a required formal internal investigation (similar to a police "internal affairs"). And it's handy being married to a former City and District Attorney.
I've got 9 years before I retire to even the score. You see, these "police" fly planes, and I initiate "violations" to folks who make mistakes while flying planes.... hee, hee. :moon: Oh, and they still owe me two wrenches ;)
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Yep Tony, trailers can't be towed in the #1 lane. Right lane only unless there are 3 or more lanes than you can use the right hand and next adjacent lane as well. Speed, 55 while towing a trailer too. Kind of a bummer he wrote you for both though, that wasn't cool.
Every once and a while you run across the guy that gets pissy cause he really doesn't know his job and when confronted about something, it then resorts to a pissing contest. This happens in EVERY industry. Unfortunately, when it happens in ours, it stands out like a sore thumb!!
Every once and a while you run across the guy that gets pissy cause he really doesn't know his job and when confronted about something, it then resorts to a pissing contest. This happens in EVERY industry. Unfortunately, when it happens in ours, it stands out like a sore thumb!!
Jon K.
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Elk; thanks for the reply. Sounds like good policy.
As it turns out; the fact that the cop had a relationship with the burger girl was a big part of what went down.
Of course Buddy can't be considered blameless.
He was eventually charged with disturbing the peace, had to go to court and paid a little fine. Couple hundred $$.
He was more concerned with the blemish on his record than the fine.
Live and learn.
As it turns out; the fact that the cop had a relationship with the burger girl was a big part of what went down.
Of course Buddy can't be considered blameless.
He was eventually charged with disturbing the peace, had to go to court and paid a little fine. Couple hundred $$.
He was more concerned with the blemish on his record than the fine.
Live and learn.
High Lord Gomer
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In my "younger" days I used to drive a wee bit fast. I've been stopped in excess of a hundred times and "only" gotten 20 or 30 tickets. Being polite goes a *long* way!
After my first suspension (the first time I took the driver re-education course), the guy teaching was from the DMV and started off describing the points system. He listed a bunch of violations and their point values. When he asked if there were any others, the class offered a couple. When he said, "Ok, I think that's it", I started raising my hand.
"Driving without headlights during times of darkness."
"How many points?"
"4."
"Ok...huh? More"
"Turning off lights to avoid identification."
"How many?"
"12."
"Any more?"
"Driving faster than safe and prudent."
"How many?"
"1."
"You know, in my twenty years with the DMV, I've never heard of anyone getting that."
"I've had 3."
"Why would get that?"
"Well...if you were obviously doing something wrong, but you're real nice to the cop."
Like I said, it really helps to be nice. AAMOF, at DW02 when I first met Elk, I automatically assumed the position. He was *real* friendly after that. Not as friendly as he was with PK, but friendly enough.
After my first suspension (the first time I took the driver re-education course), the guy teaching was from the DMV and started off describing the points system. He listed a bunch of violations and their point values. When he asked if there were any others, the class offered a couple. When he said, "Ok, I think that's it", I started raising my hand.
"Driving without headlights during times of darkness."
"How many points?"
"4."
"Ok...huh? More"
"Turning off lights to avoid identification."
"How many?"
"12."
"Any more?"
"Driving faster than safe and prudent."
"How many?"
"1."
"You know, in my twenty years with the DMV, I've never heard of anyone getting that."
"I've had 3."
"Why would get that?"
"Well...if you were obviously doing something wrong, but you're real nice to the cop."
Like I said, it really helps to be nice. AAMOF, at DW02 when I first met Elk, I automatically assumed the position. He was *real* friendly after that. Not as friendly as he was with PK, but friendly enough.
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I've also been pulled over my fair share, and had my license suspended at age 19 for an entire year for too many speeding tickets. Had to sell my car and streetbike, and ride a bicycle 4 miles each way to work. Start time (machine shop) was 6:30am, and riding a bicycle in the dark, in the middle of winter at 5:45am sucks!
I used to get out of quite a few tickets in the early days just by being honest and polite. One time a cop passed me going in the opposite direction. Looking out my rear-view mirror, I could see him start to swing back around and come after me. I had just come up to the entrance ramp onto the expressway I needed to take, so I turned off on to the ramp, pulled over, and waited. Sure enough, he saw me turn onto the expressway, and he came up and pulled in behind me. Since it was raining buckets, I figured I'd get out of my car and walk up to him rather than force him to get out and get soaking wet. Trying to be nice, ya see.
While the cop appreciated the fact that I pulled over on the entrance ramp and waited, and was now soaked instead of him, I found out that you NEVER get out of your car and run towards a police car! He let me go with a warning.
Another time I was flying down the expressway mid-morning running late for a meeting. The traffic was very light, and I was cruising around 85-90MPH in the left lane. Slower traffic was moving over into the center lane, when I came up to a white Blazer in the left lane, who was doing about 75-80MPH. Surprised that this guy was not pulling out of the left lane, I came a little closer to let him know that I'm looking to pass. After not taking the hint, and really running late, I flashed my brights a few times. The white Blazer still did not get over. So with the center lane open, I moved over and then began to pass. Just as I looked over to my left as I pulled up along side, I noticed the very large star emblem and the words "Oakland County Sheriff".
As we made eye contact, I gave him that sheepish shrug of the shoulders and "Oh Oh, I'm in deep dodo". He motioned sternly to pull over, which I did.
As the very large, very tall, and very black man (for The Josh's sake) walked up to my vehicle, I thought this is it. He is going to haul my ass out and write me the ticket I so well deserved. He asked what #$%@ my hurry was. I explained that I was late for a meeting downtown. After quickly glancing over my license and registration, he handed it back and said "Well son, today's your lucky day. I'm late for a meeting too, so we better wrap this up and get back on the road. Slow it down a little!"
I used to get out of quite a few tickets in the early days just by being honest and polite. One time a cop passed me going in the opposite direction. Looking out my rear-view mirror, I could see him start to swing back around and come after me. I had just come up to the entrance ramp onto the expressway I needed to take, so I turned off on to the ramp, pulled over, and waited. Sure enough, he saw me turn onto the expressway, and he came up and pulled in behind me. Since it was raining buckets, I figured I'd get out of my car and walk up to him rather than force him to get out and get soaking wet. Trying to be nice, ya see.
While the cop appreciated the fact that I pulled over on the entrance ramp and waited, and was now soaked instead of him, I found out that you NEVER get out of your car and run towards a police car! He let me go with a warning.
Another time I was flying down the expressway mid-morning running late for a meeting. The traffic was very light, and I was cruising around 85-90MPH in the left lane. Slower traffic was moving over into the center lane, when I came up to a white Blazer in the left lane, who was doing about 75-80MPH. Surprised that this guy was not pulling out of the left lane, I came a little closer to let him know that I'm looking to pass. After not taking the hint, and really running late, I flashed my brights a few times. The white Blazer still did not get over. So with the center lane open, I moved over and then began to pass. Just as I looked over to my left as I pulled up along side, I noticed the very large star emblem and the words "Oakland County Sheriff".
As we made eye contact, I gave him that sheepish shrug of the shoulders and "Oh Oh, I'm in deep dodo". He motioned sternly to pull over, which I did.
As the very large, very tall, and very black man (for The Josh's sake) walked up to my vehicle, I thought this is it. He is going to haul my ass out and write me the ticket I so well deserved. He asked what #$%@ my hurry was. I explained that I was late for a meeting downtown. After quickly glancing over my license and registration, he handed it back and said "Well son, today's your lucky day. I'm late for a meeting too, so we better wrap this up and get back on the road. Slow it down a little!"
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I've lived in my little town for 20+ years, as most kids I did a lot of stupid things, I'd get the usual pull you over and give you a ticket or a warning. Now I am in my mid 20's have a career, and am a productive memeber of society.
But I own a hot rod, one night a rookie police officer ( i concider anyone that didn't know me in diapers a rookie) pulls me over and starts giving me a rash of BS and asking me a million questions, so I asked him what was wrong and what the problems was. He immediately got confrontational with me to the point of using fowl language, and then wrote me a BS no turn signal ticket. Needleass to say I was miffed, after that I realized a few things, mainly that i will get BS like that no matter what just because of the car i was driving. And last but most important, as I was an adult who lived inthe comunity for decades and a registered voter, I met all the requirements to run for city council, by some miracle I squeaked in ( lots of retirement home visits). And then sat on a comittee that oversaw the police department;s budget, thier budget was a little short that year.... local mudslinging politics caused more grief than it was worth to continue being a committee man, but The police department rembered me by the time i was done.
I'd like to ad that it wasn't like the bidget was so short that they had no cars, it just meant they had to get new cars at about 100k miles instead of 30k , and they didn't have money for assult rifles..
But I own a hot rod, one night a rookie police officer ( i concider anyone that didn't know me in diapers a rookie) pulls me over and starts giving me a rash of BS and asking me a million questions, so I asked him what was wrong and what the problems was. He immediately got confrontational with me to the point of using fowl language, and then wrote me a BS no turn signal ticket. Needleass to say I was miffed, after that I realized a few things, mainly that i will get BS like that no matter what just because of the car i was driving. And last but most important, as I was an adult who lived inthe comunity for decades and a registered voter, I met all the requirements to run for city council, by some miracle I squeaked in ( lots of retirement home visits). And then sat on a comittee that oversaw the police department;s budget, thier budget was a little short that year.... local mudslinging politics caused more grief than it was worth to continue being a committee man, but The police department rembered me by the time i was done.
I'd like to ad that it wasn't like the bidget was so short that they had no cars, it just meant they had to get new cars at about 100k miles instead of 30k , and they didn't have money for assult rifles..
We need this type of inane, low rent , trailer park gibberish on a dirtbike bike forum? Yeah, Right!
Whatever credible justification there might have been for having an open forum to vent seems to have disappeared. It seems to tarnish the credibilty of the forum.
Of course since they can't beat their wife or kick the dog and the cat bites back the slack jawed feel compelled to espouse opinions from soup to nuts and consider it "entertainment" . Please, do us a favor, don't be so free with your words.
I say nuke the forum. If you want a healthy outlet for your frustrations start fighting the land use battle. Thats the real war. :uh:
Whatever credible justification there might have been for having an open forum to vent seems to have disappeared. It seems to tarnish the credibilty of the forum.
Of course since they can't beat their wife or kick the dog and the cat bites back the slack jawed feel compelled to espouse opinions from soup to nuts and consider it "entertainment" . Please, do us a favor, don't be so free with your words.
I say nuke the forum. If you want a healthy outlet for your frustrations start fighting the land use battle. Thats the real war. :uh:
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Further proof as to the need to look into the backround of those that I vote for. You made it a personal quest to go after the department because of a ticket. Based on your one sided view you encountered an over bearing officer then decided to deprive an entire department of much needed equipment.
I think your figures are a little out there, do you have any idea how many miles are put on a patrol unit in a given year?
You have to remember the HOURS a car is run! For a patrol unit it is almost constant! Unless a unit encounters damage it runs constantly with each patrol. 30 K happens rather quick.
You are happy about depriving your department assault weapons? Hmmmm, I suppose the next idiots intent on robbing a bank like the one's in LA a while back will target your town next.
Mr. Tact, I hope you are happy with hamstringing the ability for those that swear to protect you no matter what view you hold with their lives. I happen to be one of them, and unfortunatley I would do the same for you. All of this over a ticket......I am amazed. :silly:
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