Watchdog vs. Checkmate

Hokie

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Debating on which computer to get. Since I am new to the enduro world I could probably race a few more and not having a computer at all probably would not matter.

That being said, one can never have too many gadgets....

My thoughts are:

The Checkmate looks REALLY nice with all the info it presents and the big screeen etc..... The price does not look so nice and finding used ones seems near impossible.

The watchdog price looks good and it seems to provide all the needed info, and considering I am new at this it should be more than adequate for the forseeable future. Plus replaceable screen is a plus. It looks pretty bulletproof anyway.

Thanks for any input.
 

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Hokie,

First question. Does your bike have any type of odometer on it currently ??

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This is what I would suggest and I am assuming from your previous posts that you do not have any type of time keeping equipment currently.

If you already have a decent odometer just purchase a route sheet holder (maybe two of them) and a plain clock. Befor spending a lot of $$$$$ learn how to keep time with the basic equipment. Once you have decided that you really like enduros (and can keep basic time ) then spend the $$$ on the good stuff.

I myself have a plain ICO clock and two route sheet holders to go with the mechanical odometer (well I guess I should say on my RMX but not my Gas Gas). The ICO just reads time and has no sensors, it is just a plain bar mount clock. One of the route sheet holders is for the route sheets the club hands out, the one with the turns and mileage etc. The second route sheet holder contains a minute by minute -vs- milage route sheet that I made. It should be noted that here in Indiana we have straight 24 mph enduros so I can use this route sheet at just about every enduro that I go to. So any way, I can look at the odometer, then to "my" route sheet, and then to my clock and tell exactly if I am late or early. I have even done it do long I can look at the clock and then the mileage and tell if I am early or late.

Hope that helps, and I know others will be able to answer your question as to which is better. I will be checking too since my Gas Gas doesn't have any type of odometer.

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I had a Watchdog 2000. There was two different screens, one for when your early and one for when your late. I like to just glance down and be able to QUICKLY scan the display. The last thing you need to do is look down and have to actually read something while trying to stay on the trail.

A neat feature the Checkmate has is a checkpoint flag that will flash when you should enter the check. It is keyed off of the time not the milage so if you

I sold the Watchdog and bought an ICO checkmate. It was expensive but it is easy to read and very reliable. I ran into some reliability problems with the thumbswitch on the Watchdog.

No matter what you buy, make sure you adjust your milage at EVERY mile marker. RMEC rules state that a milage marker must be placed at least every 5 miles. Take the time to adjust your milage or your computer will be off. Believe it or not, Del Norte will be more rocky than Snowshoe.

Hope to see you at Del Norte.
 
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Definitely not going to Del Norte,

Have to finish up Hunter Education that day.
Planning on Rand though.
 

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Originally posted by DKT735
The last thing you need to do is look down and have to actually read something while trying to stay on the trail.
And what happens when the your electronics fail ???????? ;)
Nothing wrong with good old fashion time keeping at that point.

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Another good unit is the Pacemaker III. Simple display with large numbers with audible alarm. It works good for me since I'm far-sighted.
I've used 1 the last 3 years with good results.
 
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I bought a Watch Dog and love it! It is inexpensive and the support from the company owner is second to none.

I was ready to buy an ICO Pro Comp (since two of my riding buddies have them and like them). When I called ICO, the lady on the phone told me NOT to buy the Pro Comp and to spend the extra dough and buy the Check Mate. She went on to say that the Pro Comp wasn't good, Blah, Blah, Blah.

She was trying to upsell me and talked right out of doijng business with ICO all together.

The WD works great, is easy to use and when I was ready to use it for the first time in a race and needed help with programming, the owner returned my call from England where he was on business. That to me is customer service!!! He went to the SERA web site, downloaded the course info and walked me through programming step-by-step.
 

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forget logic, get the checkmate! Sure it's the most expensive, it's also the best. Everyone I've know that has tried another brand has always come back to ICO. I had the pro-comp...good, but the checkmate tells you everything you could ever need to know.
and if you have a buddy that's good at programming, make him get one, and just beam the program into yours from his ;-)
 

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Originally posted by wsmc831
forget logic, get the checkmate! Sure it's the most expensive, it's also the best. Everyone I've know that has tried another brand has always come back to ICO. I had the pro-comp...good, but the checkmate tells you everything you could ever need to know.
and if you have a buddy that's good at programming, make him get one, and just beam the program into yours from his ;-)

Ahh, the voice of the gadget man!

PS - The programming friend would end up being me!
Computer dork over here......
 

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Get the Watchdog! I had a similar incident as Skabeeb. I had a old Pro-comp that went bad and had major go arounds with them about fixing it (PM me if you want details) and then had nothing but an bad salemenship (badmouthing other brands severly) to get me to buy the Checkmate. It caused me to get the Watchdog. Have had no problems yet. It has been through 4 National enduros, including the mudfest's in GA and OH, and about 6 local enduros. Very easy to program and use. Plus everything is billet, no plastic to worry about breaking, and the replaceable lens is cool.
 

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I have witnessed two expert enduro riders have problems with an ICO at a National enduro and have to rely on a B rider to "assist" in the timekeeping.  The B rider was using a watchdog.  Just my $  .02.
 

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I use an ICO Pro Comp, an ICO Pro III, a roll chart with minute by minute "possibles", a mechanical ODO and a wrist watch.  Somehow the hardware(trophys) still seems to escape me.  :whiner:   Oh well, at least I know how to keep time the old fashioned way.  :thumb: