What the hell is D class?

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After an eight-year layoff, I've been back in this sport for 11 months now and just when I thought I could sink no lower, I run into this D class.

I see no mention of the D class in the AMA rule book. Is it something that has always been around in District 17, or is it a wider outgrowth of the greater populartity MX/SX has achieved?

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I think the "D" stands for Dingus.  I can only hope my skills improve to the point where someday I'll be eligible to be an Open Vet Dingus class rider.
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LOL thats funny I asked a few promotors that same question. What the real problem is there are certain districts that don't advance like we do......so there are C riders doing 80 foot triples. Hence some tracks have had to (in there mind) decided it was the best thing and institute another class. So it comes down to this........4 lap motos, get done at 8 pm and wonder why things are the way they are. but i guess there is another winner out there, even tho its in the D class. I bet when that guy gets home he prolly changes like he did his report card and its an A....class?

One thing for sure, as a director I don't run the business, I just try to help them do the right things.


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James,
D17 does NOT have a "D class" but some tracks run it on thier own.

Just so you know they can run anything they want as long as it doesn't conflict with the AMA and insurance companies liabilty policies...
like an
"ingrown toenail" 220cc class if they want to, it is thier business,
BUT NOT a recognized District class.

I have seen promotors run a "over 225 pound class" with a scale to insure the participants were "doughboy class" elgible.

Other parts of the country, do to the number of riders, regularly run what would be condsidred D class though..

they just have different names.
Approximate translations:
D = beginer
C = novice
B = intermediate
A = expert/pro
 
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Wardy,

The right thing is to take advancement seriously. I've been observing local MX for quite awhile now, and there's little question in my mind the spectrum from novice to expert, on the amateur level, can't be broken up into three comfortable categories.

The D class is good if it meets additional demand by the masses to compete in MX. But if it's just the promoter's response to cherry-picking, then it's ultimately bad for the sport and something needs fixed.

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AJ,

So my guess is to participate in these classes, the riders don't need a District 17 card? At what point does the district take notice and decide to assimilate those potential members by instituting a new class?

James

PS: Over 225? Too low. I've seen fatter guys go pretty fast.
 
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AJ -&nbsp;&nbsp;I like the over 225 lb class idea. Count me IN
In Mountain Bike racing they call those big weight classes the "Clydesdale Class" .&nbsp;&nbsp;Now if they would just do an under 5'6" over 225lb Vet class I might just be able to get a trophy .



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AHHHHH James!!

A very touchy subject?
To answer your question if the rider resides in D17 and is competing in a D17 event ,no matter the class, he should have a D17 card.

We have 26 recognized MX classes already ( 92 total "awards" classes) and if the promotors/clubs run these we do not need to assimilate those riders..thay are already there competing.

If they are running in a non-recognized class regularly..
then it goes something like this...

If enough Clubs /promotors run a non-district class and it is successful ..that is when we add a new class.
You might have wondered how we come up with the classes? It's the ones that show successful participation at the tracks ..BEFORE we institute them as D17 classes.

At the moment only ONE track is running D class,this is ok but does undermine the system somewhat.
Currently by the ref reports...It really does not draw more riders it simply spreads the C class out.
The gates are not over run now in the C class..not much need to break it down further.
C class in D17 is a beginer or "first year" class.

Riders need to keep in mind WHY they are competing.
To have FUN.
Lets not break the classes down so that every entry gets a trophy.
If you get 15th in C class hopefully you had a great time doing it?
If splitting the classes and then you get 3rd in D class "makes your day" awhole lot better ....
then I'm not sure that rider is in the sport for the "right" reasons?

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Hey Rich!
I've heard of that Mountain bike class!

Just so you know the "doughboy class" was a failure...

Those guys were to vain to step on the scale to qualify..

I was surprised as I thought they would all like it and have a good time..it was just one track one race deal...a couple of years ago.
 

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How about an under 5'8" over 220lb class



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The off-beat classes, like the over 225# class, sound like fun, demonstrate ingenuity and shouldn't be discouraged. Even if they're one-time events, they mean more racing for the participants (likely these are guys already in another class -- I don't see anyone showing up just to race one of these things), more business for the promoter and more entertainment for the spectators (read: families).

The D-Class now appears to be a completely different story. I must admit that I've never seen it run in person (although first race at Casey, I'll have my eyes open), but if, as AJ wrote, the C class is a "first year" class, then I don't see the point of a D class.

Cherry picking always has run rampant in this sport, and it never will be eliminated. The districts can't be blamed for the lack of advancement if riders don't cooperate. But, as with most things, fault has to be spread around. Perhaps the D class came about because of two factors: 1) The popularity of MX increasing, attracting more low-experienced riders into the fold; 2) The districts not upping their level of advancement "encouragement" to keep pace with the influx of new riders.

That the D class is run at only one track in D-17, though, testifies to what likely is solid advancement compliance, overall, in D-17. And, from what I've seen in my short experience with this district, Casey is a bit different animal. It must be. I drove down to practice in January and spent some time talking to a guy with a couple CR250s -- he had his "practice" bike in the back of his truck. His class? C. How long? Six years. Must be the truth because no one would make that up.

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James.
Its tough for me to be "politically correct" and answer your questions sometimes. LOL!
I will tell you that you seem to have some VERY keen insight into thw whole mess,and I highly DOUBT that "rider in question" held a D 17 C card.

Other Districts are notorious for lettin guys ride C for quite awhile.
There is NOTHING D 17 can do about it if the rider lives in another District.
Our Advancement policy is very strict.
So strict I was advanced to "A" BEFORE I had the required points average.

Casey is a different animal ...and not because they dont try...they are on the very boirderline of D17 and a vast majority of there riders are from 15 18 and other places.Very hard to manage advancement there.


Bill also has a great point.
For myself I make some contingency money but in all honestly I would LOVE to see the whole "thing" just go away to help the sport.
 

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I plan to race in a couple of MX races later this year. I have never raced before. One of the two districts I have a choice of running (name withheld to protect the innocent)I know has a D class.
OK....here is the question of the day.... will they automatically stick me in the D class or can I race C class if I choose??? Or being 36 years old will they make me run in the senior citizen class or what?



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John ,
Basically as a "new" rider to mx competition ..it should be your choice.

If you win or do extreemly well your very first race..guess what? Time to move up already.
but advance at your own pace..most Districts have some form of advancement system in place and will notify you when you need to move "up"

My personal advice to you is the Senoir classes,no matter the A B or C designations , are a bit more "sane".

125 C or D or 250C or D is down right scary to watch much less compete in..lol

James,
I was implying I cannot answer certain questions about specific tracks or promotors without "crossing the PC line" yanno?
I have been friends with Jean Ramsey and Nadine for MANY MANY years,they do a good job and I always have a great time at that track.