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This coming from the guy with the late 70's RM open bikes . . . might as well have a KDX while you're at it :rotfl:whenfoxforks-ruled said:
Who wants 2-Strokes to come back?
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Bill Gates = Luddite
http://www.greencarreports.com/blog...-new-opoc-engine-with-23-5-million-investment
http://www.greencarreports.com/blog...-new-opoc-engine-with-23-5-million-investment
Ain't no KDX ever smelled or burned that much 927, and did it crisply! Stopping is another matter. Yet, way better than the old 4 strokes!!!!! Luddites indeed?XRpredator said:
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The Luddites were a social movement of British textile artisans in the nineteenth century who protested – often by destroying mechanized looms – against the changes produced by the Industrial Revolution, which they felt was leaving them without work and changing their way of life. It took its name from the fictional King Ludd.whenfoxforks-ruled said:
The movement should be seen in the context of the era's harsh economic climate due to the Napoleonic Wars, and the degrading working conditions in the new textile factories. The principal objection of the Luddites was to the introduction of new wide-framed automated looms that could be operated by cheap, relatively unskilled labour, resulting in the loss of jobs for many skilled textile workers. The movement began in 1811 and 1812, when mills and pieces of factory machinery were burned by handloom weavers, and for a short time was so strong that Luddites clashed in battles with the British Army. Measures taken by the British government to suppress the movement included a mass trial at York in 1812 that resulted in many executions and penal transportations.
Industrialization = Yes
Automation = Yes
Computerization = Yes
New Technologies = Yes
Guess liking a 2 stroke doesn't make people Luddites, well, I least not me. I'll just stick to the less expensive bike, no harm, no foul.
Had a KDX as well. Anemic on the suspension but overall great motorcycle. If you've been on DRN for anytime, you should be able to jet a KDX even if you don't own one. I pretty much suspect that while a good majority of 2 stroke and 4 stroke MX bikes are getting a rebuild, the XR's and the KDX's will still be out on the trail with a rider that has a smile on his face and a few bucks left in his wallet.:)
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Last I looked, Yamaha is still hanging in there. YZ250 probably best off-the-floor racer you can buy today. Just isn't going to hang with a 450 on a long straight.
Agreed to a lot of opinions, except Preds' and Juliens'. I know Pred has his ladle stirring the vat, and I would bet Julien has never raced 1 of those trail bike smokers on a mx track, expecting to fair well? If Kaw is still making them, GREAT! Or, anyone that wants a new bike, Yamadog or 13 or more grand and talk to some of the greatest people in the dirt, Service Honda. Why hardly no ktms' in the big bike classes at the mx track? I still am liking the idea of selling all my junk, and talking to AJ about that KX500AF. The currant thumpers are fun, easy to ride over your head, and every tool should own one at least once. Vintage Bob
Bob, I'm just saying, options are out there. 2 stroke development continues in earnest from many other manufacturers. The Maico's are shaping up to look quite competitive. We will see how they fare for the next couple years. The new Maico's are not purpose built trail bikes, they are MX machines. Of course, they offer an enduro version as well..
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The purpose of an IC engine is to make power. The two stroke makes more of it from a smaller, lighter, and cheaper engine with less moving parts. This makes it an attractive option, so don't expect it to vanish anytime soon.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The purpose of an IC engine is to make power. The two stroke makes more of it from a smaller, lighter, and cheaper engine with less moving parts. This makes it an attractive option, so don't expect it to vanish anytime soon.
It is a lot cheaper/easier to make a smoker, a decent trail bike than a competitive mx bike? I have NEVER understood why the Japanese do this by accident and the rest of the world flounders with over weight bikes that do not scream or handle? Enter Service Honda and why I need 13 thousand dollars to do this? I recall when my heart dropped when bikes went over 1 thousand dollars!
I bet I could train my dog to fly before I'll see another smoker on the podium at a pro national......not that I don't like 2 strokes, 4 strokes just work better at that level of competition. Off road and play bikes are a completely different story. Electrics are as likely to be competitive in the future as 2 strokes, both of which would be seriously cool to see make it!
That guy they had trying to make a national sure had some issues! Joe, would you say that if they lifted the pro handi cap?
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we'll see the luddite who's riding it end up getting lapped by half the fieldjulien_d said:
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Finally had to look up "luddite." I like destroying mechanized textile machinery and any motorcycle technology beyond the 1976 development of the 2-stroke motocross bikes !! Watch out for the old guy with the mini sledge all you fast-riding four-strokers with those high zoot "radiators," "monoshocks" and "inverted" forks.......... Blashphemy, I sayeth !!
The project 250 guy already tried once, or a reasonable facsimile? They need an even field, or MUCH better racer. 250 smoker against the 250f any guy without a cape can ride, fair enough.
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Nah, you can hardly count that. They broke the clutch cover on the bike in the first lap of practice. By the time they fixed the bike, they had 5 minutes left to get back on the track and qualify. He barely had one full lap in, and he did not get to open it up for a lap.
He's fighting an uphill battle, for sure. 250cc's vs 450cc's, and people like Pred running around screaming "Luddites". Lol, funny.
Anyway, we'll see in a few more days. I know I'll be watching...
AMA is never going to go for "equal displacement". It would be too swift an end to the 4 strokes. The Euro's would come out with 450 2 strokes, and everyone would have to switch in order to be competitive. I would rather lobby for lowering the handicap slightly. Say, let a 250 - 350 2t run with the 450 f's.
The 350 is going down the crapper, maybe a 400. I believe that it what started the return in the first place? Regardless, its a tools machine, thats all. Dropping the handi cap did not flood the amateur ranks with smokers. The new race organizers need to see the benefit?
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Keep dreamin', you dreamers.julien_d said:
I just love these baseless statements of "fact" . . .
"Track design geared toward the fours . . ." -- pretty much the same tracks they've always been
"Euros come out with 450 two-strokes, and everyone would have to switch . . ." -- Yeah, Yamaha and Honda really give a crap what TM and Husqvarna are doing
"2 strokes will always rule." -- :rotfl:
keep dreaming, you dreamers. You're an inspiration to us all.
