blanc

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bike just had a full rebuild also new plug fuel filter etc. very hard to start has good spark any suggestions?? when it does start and run she runs fine. once it stops it very hard to restart. any suggestions?
 

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Full rebuild as in valves? Double check the clearances. Pilot circuit lean? Does it start easier once you warm it up?
 

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blanc said:
bike is just as hard to start when warm. will re check valves and timing thiseve. cant understand it
Got to agree with Joe, clearance and timing. Be glad you do not have 2 cams up top! And sadly, how well was the valve job done? If the clearances check out, you may need a leak down test to see how your top end is sealing up. Vintage Bob
 

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update: full rebuild. rod.bearings, piston ss valves etc. we spent twp hours this eve re checking timing and valves intakes are a bit tight at .006 should be .009 however after a strip down we have found that spark is weak or non existant. back to draeing board all connectkons clean and look good
 

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Yeah, you kinda need spark.

My 06 is .005" +/- .001 on the intake side. The timing is easy as pie unless you have slipped a gear or a stretched timing chain. I would start by getting a service manual and multi-meter and get testing.
 

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Timing, multimeter? Disconnect the kill switch first! You may be amazed what a dead draw does to the spark plug. Then we shall see if it will start at .006, when its supposed to be at least .008? Thats pretty tight. Vintage Bob
 

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brad m said:
You can also check your air screw adjustment. Should be around 2.5 turns out.
The mixture screw! No star for you today. But, yes it can make starting a real bugger? NOPE. The leak jet, choke circuit and probably technique are the biggest factor on starting, as long as its not something else. The thumpers since 05, tuned and it good shape, I've personally never needed the choke or hot start to fire up. 2 blips of the throttle and bam, worked almost every time. Except frozen or freshly crashed, then its another story. It started fine the normal method, but was cooler, less work. Vintage Bob
 

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The FUEL SCREW does play a big role in these bikes starting. Mine usually stays pretty close through the season. I tuned it for around 1.5 turns out on the fuel screw. If you get more than two and half or three turns out the fuel screw it can turn itself out causing poor running or loss of the screw, spring, washer and o-ring. The leak jet shouldn't effect starting, just how much fuel gets sprayed into the cylinder when you pump the throttle. My bike tells me where to put the pilot by how it starts cold and hot. If it's a bit rich it will fire right up cold, with the choke, but be hard to start hot, with hot start. If it takes more than a kick or two hot it needs leaned out a bit. If it takes more than kick or two cold it's a bit rich. It usually doesn't need more than a quarter to half turn to dial it in.

That being said you still need good hot spark.

Or you could just pull it behind the quad? ;)
 

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Come on dead kill switch! Passed the coil, them electric parts new get pricey, and buying used can get real iffy? Or, it could be a bad/loose connection, there are not that many electrical connectors? A wire laid wrong and rubbed/melted through? Vintage Bob
 

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Coil? You mean the plug cap? :nener: Yeah, it could be a kill switch or bad wire. Close visual inspection goes a long way. You did use the exact same plug you took out right?
 

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Plug cap, lead wire, then the coil, and the 8 dollar kill switch, cheap. CDI box, stator, expensive. And, the pick up on the side of the rotor, can get whacked out of adjustment, or worse, all corroded up. Keep at it. Vintage Bob
 

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When you pulled the left side engine cover, did you inspect that stator? most likely not.

When you have problems on the bottom ends of the CRFs, the wire leads are soldered to the stator. Basically the metal particles will stick between the leads shorting out the pickup. Simple fix to clean it off.
 

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whenfoxforks-ruled said:
Plug cap, lead wire, then the coil, and the 8 dollar kill switch, cheap. CDI box, stator, expensive. And, the pick up on the side of the rotor, can get whacked out of adjustment, or worse, all corroded up. Keep at it. Vintage Bob
Yeah, Bob, this ain't yer 'ol two smoker. :nener: As far as I know there's no adjustment on the pick up. It's also oil bathed so corrosion shouldn't be the problem. Particles could end up getting stuck to the terminals I guess. Hopefully not because that means you've got much bigger fish to fry. Go pick up a gasket and pull the cover. It's pretty simple and will allow you to look for any shavings in the ignition or sump screen as well as giving you an opportunity to check for bearing play. I just bought a side cover gasket and I think it was around 10 bucks.
 

blanc

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Thanks lads

It was the stator and pick up which was at fault. Thankfully a friend of mine has the same bike and swapped his parts to test it for me. The meter suggested that the stator was working fine.
 

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