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Langston uses the same approach he used with Brown at Binghampton in '01 - Brown hit Langston, on purpose, on about the 3rd lap, then Langston put Brown down, on purpose, on the last lap. If Hamblin hadn't hit Langston at the WC, Langston wouldn't have hit Hamblin later. If Bubba really did put Langston down on purpose (and riders know the difference between incidental contact and ramming), he better hope he gets 4 good starts for the rest of the series; otherwise Langston will definitely ram him right back and won't care who likes it. As far as I've seen, Bubba isn't scared of anybody but doesn't normally go looking for a fight - I hope Langston will give him the benefit of the doubt and realize the best way to win the championship is to stay right around Hughes (preferably ahead of him) and leave the Bubba fight for another day.
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Well even if he did hit Bubba, lets say even took him out... Bubba would have gotten up, in last place and still won the moto... Oh yeah, he already did that this year.
Bubba is plain fast, there is no other 125 rider on the same planet as he is, not to say that the others are slouches or anything. Jst saying Bubba is, in David Bailey's words "the best rider that has ever raced". He does not need to ride dirty, he's just flat out faster that the others.
Remember what he did to Reed last year? Let him by for a lap only to put the hurt on him and later in RacerX said he wanted to see what Reed was all about... said he waited and rode behind him for a lap but felt like he was going so slow he was going to fall over so he had to go. And he put nearly 30 seconds on him in the last 5 laps.
The only chance Grant or any other ride will have of hitting Bubba is at the first turn or when he comes by to lap. He really is just that damn fast.
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Langston targets his opponents and he admitted it. If contact happens during a race that is incidental such as what Hamblin did to Langston then there is no reason to target another rider. Langston did with Hamblin, Brown, Bonds and I'm sure many others.
Langston is a nice guy. I've talked to him at several races but on the track he is happy to dish it out but can't take incidental contact without getting his panties in a wad and crying (like he did this past weekend when he got bumped by Bubba). The only reason Langston didn't take Stewart out is he can't catch him!!
Langston and Brown are cut of the same cloth in competitiveness and I respect both for their speed and work ethic but both of them are dirty riders IMO.
Ivan
Langston is a nice guy. I've talked to him at several races but on the track he is happy to dish it out but can't take incidental contact without getting his panties in a wad and crying (like he did this past weekend when he got bumped by Bubba). The only reason Langston didn't take Stewart out is he can't catch him!!
Langston and Brown are cut of the same cloth in competitiveness and I respect both for their speed and work ethic but both of them are dirty riders IMO.
Ivan
I like Langston but even in Europe he was known for slamming past his oponentents and wasn't shy of initiating a little contact. That was seen as good hard professional motocross riding. However, as pointed out above if you dish it out but then be prepared cop it back, if your going to trade on a "tough go through pain rider image" then whinging about every contact that you did not initiate makes you sound like a real soft piece of ****e. In his defence I think the pressure of another title slipping away is biulding up in his head. He cant let it consume him or thats what will happen.
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Langston has proved time and time before that he is willing to target an opponent and take them out. He admitted it with Hamblin and it was obvious with Bonds.
I'm not a Langston hater and I defended him when he supposedly crashed the lady at Glen Helen that left her in bad shape but ever since he targetted Hamblin I've not liked his racing. Some contact is racing, targetting an opponent is NOT!
Ivan
So Bonds not doing anything after that race is Langstons fault? His one shot at glory is over thanks to Langston? Where is Bond's character? Seems to me if he was half the man he is cracked up to be, he would be out there with the rest of them trying every weekend. The bottom line is, racing is a tough, hard, dangerous sport, don't dish it out if you can't take it. And Langston is taking it, every weekend.
Another thing - show me one instance where Langston has been the instigator.
He has allways retaliated to a takeout move. I also have not heard him whining, only telling it like it is.
I would say Stewart hitting Langston this last weekend was a cheap shot...but with everybody on his bandwagon he can do stuff like that. Thats the way it is.
Another thing - show me one instance where Langston has been the instigator.
He has allways retaliated to a takeout move. I also have not heard him whining, only telling it like it is.
I would say Stewart hitting Langston this last weekend was a cheap shot...but with everybody on his bandwagon he can do stuff like that. Thats the way it is.
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Remember also that this year, Reed is showing that MX outdoors isn't exactly his best thing, although he is getting better and looks really good now.
In SX, he's gonna fly again--and after seeing him perform right after Bubba at Vegas from the 9th row--let's just say he was faster (on a 250) than Bubba was (on a 125), very smooth--and RC had nothing for him. When Bubba gets on a 250 in SX and takes on Reed, those two will be your front runners--I would guess James will win that one, but I'm not so sure. Outside, no problem. They're both, however, much more gifted in SX than MX. Yep--I think JBS is better at SX than he is MX.
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Exactly my point. Langston gets a little tap here or there and then he TARGETS another opponent to take that rider out. He does not go out there and just race tit for tat.
He TARGETS others to put on the ground.
Rough racing like Brown and Hughes did early on is great. I have no problem with that. But when a rider like Langston TARGETS another racer for the purpose of TAKING THE RIDER OUT then I think that is dirty riding.
I don't care of Langston and whoever bump in every corner but when Langston admits that he went out and INTENTIONALLY TARGETTED a rider to take that rider out that nullifies him ever being considered a clean rider. If you bump and bump and someone ends up going down that is different. It is the intentional targetting that he has done that I have a problem with.
He has started a lot but when he gets bumped he cries about it like he did this past weekend or TARGETS the rider to try and intentionally take them out which he admitted too.
I remember Pastrana writing about how Langston would purposely bump him and everything when they raced each other but Pastrana thought it was part of racing and just kept on going. However, when Langston gets a bump he goes out and puts another rider down (Hamblin, Bonds, etc.).
That is where I see it different. He has retaliated to contact WITH a takeout move.
I did not see it so I won't comment on it.
I'm not a Langston hater. I just think he is a dirty rider. I respect his work ethic and how much he wants to win and how hard he rides but he does not take the bumps without getting upset and TARGETING the other rider or whining about it.
Ivan
Langston is not a dirty rider and please don't quote me out of context.
When did he instigate? Give me one example.
We will have to agree to disagree on this.
Do you think JBS did not intentionally take Langston out? Does that make him a dirty rider? I don't think JBS is a dirty rider.
Langston retaliates when taken out, I read that as "I wont be intimidated or messed with as long as I can help it."
When did he instigate? Give me one example.
We will have to agree to disagree on this.
Do you think JBS did not intentionally take Langston out? Does that make him a dirty rider? I don't think JBS is a dirty rider.
Langston retaliates when taken out, I read that as "I wont be intimidated or messed with as long as I can help it."
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I said I did not see it. I didn't. I read the Monday conversation with Grant on Racer X where he was complaining about being taken out. I have read past comments too (like Daytona SX in 2002 where Chad barely clipped Langston's front end and Langston cried to the media about it).
I liked Bubba's response to Grant's whining though... Bubba said something like "I thought we were dealing with a 3 time World Champion." Basically saying that if you are willing to dish it out you shouldn't cry about contact when it happens to you. Plus, from the reports I read Bubba did not target Grant to take him out he just put an aggressive pass on him and Langston went down.
My point is Langston targetted a rider to take out on more than one occassion. He did not do it to bump them back, he did not do it to show them he is not to be messed with, his only intention was to take the person out and he admitted it!!
There are a lot of dirty riders in the pros and especially at the local level. There is no reason to get defensive about it. That is Grant's style. He gets upset when bumped and therefore targets the rider to take them out instead of just bumping them back. Unless the promoter cares enough to do anything about it he will always ride like that.
My personal opinion will not change. A rider who purposely takes another rider out intentionally (not just bumping and grinding but targetting the rider for the sole purpose of taking them out) is a dirty rider IMO.
If it makes you feel any better Bob Hannah is one of my favorite riders of all time but I think he too was a dirty rider. Like I said, I do not dislike Langston or think ill of him overall.
Ivan
Rubbin's racin', but if you try to pass somebody in the first turn of a 35 minute moto and you're in the same rut they're in, and cause them to fall doing it, don't be surprised if they kick your butt after the moto. Grant's got a legitimate bitch, and IMO Bubba wouldn't have passed another rider in like that in that situation. Bubba tried to humiliate Chad Reed (who hasn't forgotten it yet) and now he did the same thing again. The kid's an amazing rider, but he needs to control his desire to show other riders up. Some day, he's gonna be laying on the track hoping none of the guys charging toward him have a bone to pick. He's just a kid, I know, but he better outgrow being an a*****e. This sport hasn't changed THAT much from the old days.
LOL.. what's this Langston/Stewart conversation? Langston (or any other tiddler) doesn't belong on the same track. Maybe Alessi will get hurt? Langston can drop down to pick up an easy one?
Oh wait.. a pro can't drop down? Sorry Grant.
Making points? Let's take a look at altercations on the track. Who's got the most over the last two years? Brown? Langston? Hughes? Funny how it's the Cherry pickers of the class making the most noise? Some how some way, they seem to just "end-up in it"? How many times have you seen Stewart involved in anything other than lapping the field?
You are right about Reed not forgetting... Stewart is already in his head.
Crystal ball rubbing....
1) Even if Langston cherry picks his way to a 125 title this year.. it'll be his first and only title in American MX/SX. I sure wouldn't rule-out a major choke on his part, allowing Hughes or Stewart to take it from him. You've gotta believe he has a desire to see if he can stay in the same time zone with Stewart, which would be a mistake.
2) Reed will not have another American SX/MX title, he'll crash his brains-out trying to hang with Stewart and RC will always have his number outside. He's a 3rd place (at best) rider as of the SX season this winter. 4th outside next year.
... the line is cast :thumb:
Oh wait.. a pro can't drop down? Sorry Grant.
Making points? Let's take a look at altercations on the track. Who's got the most over the last two years? Brown? Langston? Hughes? Funny how it's the Cherry pickers of the class making the most noise? Some how some way, they seem to just "end-up in it"? How many times have you seen Stewart involved in anything other than lapping the field?
You are right about Reed not forgetting... Stewart is already in his head.
Crystal ball rubbing....
1) Even if Langston cherry picks his way to a 125 title this year.. it'll be his first and only title in American MX/SX. I sure wouldn't rule-out a major choke on his part, allowing Hughes or Stewart to take it from him. You've gotta believe he has a desire to see if he can stay in the same time zone with Stewart, which would be a mistake.
2) Reed will not have another American SX/MX title, he'll crash his brains-out trying to hang with Stewart and RC will always have his number outside. He's a 3rd place (at best) rider as of the SX season this winter. 4th outside next year.
... the line is cast :thumb:
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Tried? I thought he accomplished that, and if my memory serves me correctly Bubba did that because Reed was making some comments (read racial) about Bubba and his riding/racing ability. Rumor is Chad is at this very moment back at the corner where Bubba laid the wood to him, with a flashlight (its night), looking for his pride, cause Lord knows he lost it that day.
As for Bubba getting around Langston... Whatever, these guys get paid to race... that means get to the finish line before the other guy does. If you honestly think that is dirty riding and are going to complain you need to start watching figure skating. There are dirty riders, Bubba aint one of them. Langston has neither the skill or the balls to run with James and if he sees 259 coming and is gonne bitch about contact instead of trying to block and get schooled he should move out of the way and wave Bubba on by. On the other hand if he grows the balls and wants to run great, makes for better racin'! Just leave the whine at home with the cheese after the asswhoopin. :eek:
I have chummed the waters...
I'll tell you this much - even if I was racing somebody for a no-count local series title and he tried that kind of move in the first turn of a race and caused me to go down, I'd wait for him to come back around and park my 500AF right between his shoulder blades on the next lap. He'd only do it once.
...and I'll bite.
"2) Reed will not have another American SX/MX title, he'll crash his brains-out trying to hang with Stewart and RC will always have his number outside. He's a 3rd place (at best) rider as of the SX season this winter. 4th outside next year."
A very bold statement. He's got a lot of years left of riding and will only improve. I hope you are proven wrong, 'cause I would love to see him kick RC and JBS's butts to take a title. It may not happen, but I'd love to see it.
"2) Reed will not have another American SX/MX title, he'll crash his brains-out trying to hang with Stewart and RC will always have his number outside. He's a 3rd place (at best) rider as of the SX season this winter. 4th outside next year."
A very bold statement. He's got a lot of years left of riding and will only improve. I hope you are proven wrong, 'cause I would love to see him kick RC and JBS's butts to take a title. It may not happen, but I'd love to see it.
