Cherokee Natl Enduro Results

Unknown Ctrl · Mar 20, 2005

A 26 Mike Lafferty 451937 Ktm Pro 22 674 1
E 34 Russell Bobbitt S0788 547610 Ktm Aa Aa 26 813 2
C 28 Stephen Edmondson S1248 502257 Ktm Aa Aa 28 881 3
A 21 Randy Hawkins S0448 217451 Yam Aa Pro 29 985 4
A 22 David Lykke 558812 Ktm Pro 30 1017 5
A 23 Steve Hatch 435674 Kaw Pro 31 1090 6
B 24 Jason Chancey Ktm Aa 201-250 A 33 1089 7
A 34 Leonard Keen 745255 Ktm Pro 33 1116 8
E 21 Jan Hrehor 526777 Yam Vet A 33 1158 9
A 30 Matt Stavish 121605 Hon Pro 33 1185 10
D 27 Andrew Kendrick S1265 751493 Ktm Aa Aa 34 1179 11
D 55 Tim Taber 496184 Ktm 201-250 A 35 1193 12
A 40 Rodney Judson 402979 Hon Aa 37 1213 13
B 22 Michael Grizzle S0125 181911a Ktm Aa Vet A 37 1245 14
C 42 Mike Monroe 318272 Yam 251-open A 39 1340 15
B 33 Trey Wellborn S0599 396756 Ktm Aa Aa 39 1404 16
E 50 Blair Bersano 477535 Yam 201-250 A 40 1092 17
B 25 Mitch Mcree S0056 106518a Ktm Open A 251-open A 40 1421 18
B 28 Lee Stephens S0196 502172 Ktm 200 A 86-200 A 41 1438 19
C 51 Taylor Reynolds S2680 776942 Ktm 250 A 201-250 A 41 1474 20

Fred T · Mar 21, 2005

Good job LeRoy 8th OA! Those setra boys ain't no joke!

6 of top 10 bikes were KTM.

fatherandson · Mar 21, 2005

This weekend created some shakeup in the standings. Lafferty is back where he belongs on top. He was able to improve his position due to the fast SETRA guys and the return of Hawkins. Here is the top five (according to my calculations):

Lafferty 67 points
Hatch 63
Stavish 61
Lykke 53
Russell 48
Tabor 37

Does anyone know if Billy Russell made the trip from California?

Good job Leroy!!

andy27414 · Mar 21, 2005

billy russell dnfed

Unknown Ctrl · Mar 21, 2005

Andy,

Thanks for the help with scoring.

Looking back...Billy Russell must have gotten lost between checks 10 and 11.....he burned check 11 by 23 minutes...

Timr · Mar 21, 2005

fatherandson said:
Does anyone know if Billy Russell made the trip from California?

I was at his house on Thursday evening, and he wasn't there. :) There was no bike in the garage either. So, I assumed that he was gone to GA.

ktmracer · Mar 21, 2005

The full results are posted on the setra website. www.setra.org

121 · Mar 22, 2005

13 out of the top 20 were KTM's. That was one of the funnest enduros I have ever ridden!

Lissa · Mar 22, 2005

I'd hate to burst the orange bubble, but you look at any enduro's results and you'll see a ocean of orange bikes. A big majority of non-sponsered riders ride orange because there is no need to convert the bike for use (saved time and thinking) and for most states the ease of registering for legal enduro riding (the BIG factor, especially in the North East), unlike the big four (this will be changing shortly and not for the better).

cjKTM · Mar 22, 2005

Another scoring screw-up. John Barber actually finished 7th overall. (although he was 6th until Hatch managed to get his scorecard and backup sheets changed after the fact. ???)

andy27414 · Mar 22, 2005

John barber was a mistake on the online results only, that is being corrected. I am a member of the club, so if you think the backup books were changed for Steve Hatch, you are sorely mistaken. His score was written wrong on the boards, so we went to the backup books and saw that it was wrong and corrected it. That is what backup books are for isn't it?

Unknown Ctrl · Mar 23, 2005

Andy is correct....

Steve was marked properly in the back-up book and incorrectly on his card.

Berkyboy · Mar 23, 2005

Your top AA riders routinely question scoring and ask to see the backup sheets.

From a distance it looks like they are "whining" when in reality its any riders right to see their backup score or any other rider's scores.

If they think they have an argument they often win their appeal. The lesson for all of us is if you think you got scored wrong ask to see the backup sheets.

Steve Berkner

cjKTM · Mar 23, 2005

Then why did you refuse to let them see the backup sheets to verify until really pushed to do so? And then it was a quick glance. It appeared from the second or two that they looked at it that it had been changed also. If there was nothing wrong then the club should have been a little more open and considerate to satisfy everyone. People spend a lot of time and money at this level a should not have to wonder if they were treated fairly.

andy27414 · Mar 23, 2005

We were a little busy scoring the hundreds of people that finished the event, we didn't need the hassle of occupying someone showing you the backup book when we had already saw it. And I think its a little offensive for you to say that we would have altered the books in favor of Steve Hatch over John Barber. Why would we do that, neither of them are local? What motive would there be? I think you should stop the conspiracy theories.

SCHLAVA · Mar 23, 2005

so your saying that if they were local you would have altered the books??????? sorry just messin with ya!

cjKTM · Mar 23, 2005

OK, personally I believe most people do the right thing and believe what you are saying. But again, these guys are basically trying to make a living at this sport and you are saying that you don't think you should not have to take the time to answer their questions. That is NOT acceptable for a national championship event. Someone should MAKE the time to avoid the appearance that this is a bush league sport. That is really my point and it wasn't intended to offend anyone.

ktmracer · Mar 23, 2005

I beleive that the club was trying to get all the scores posted before they dealt with any of the problems. That seems to be the norm at most events. I hardly see how that would make this appear to be a "bush" league sport.

Mully · Mar 24, 2005

ktmracer said:
I beleive that the club was trying to get all the scores posted before they dealt with any of the problems. That seems to be the norm at most events. I hardly see how that would make this appear to be a "bush" league sport.

Exactly. All scores are posted. Then a one hour protest period is given to all riders (I believe the protest period may vary). Riders should be courteous and wait for the protest period. Disputes are handled in the order they are received. At this point the back up sheets are used to settle any disputes.

D Lafleur · Mar 24, 2005

Being one of the people who has been responsible for national events and several regional events, I have to side with Mully & Andy. The first priority is to get all the scores up with the most accurate information that is available. If you have ever scored an enduro, you can appreciate what is involved. If you haven't, you have not earned the right to critique the hosting club. Check crews don't always write legibly. Riders will crash the scorecard and the writing gets smeared, etc. Once the scores are posted, you begin the protest period. Then you handle the issues. If you attempt to do this in the scoring process, you tie up several people, you stop the process, you add confusion to the scoring table. As a national level rider, it is your job to understand the rules and situation as much as it is the hosting clubs!

With the little bit of information I have read, it appears that the hosting club did it correctly.

cjKTM · Mar 24, 2005

I'm not trying to make this go on forever, but a few of the people who made comments need to reread my last post. Obviously the questioning took place IN the protest period when they didn't want to show the backup sheets. That is why it didn't look right. The comment about people who have never scored an event have no right to say anything is about as ridiculous as saying that anyone who has not built a highway has no right to complain about the bumps in the road. OK, I'm done with this, I won't beat it to death anymore.

andy27414 · Mar 24, 2005

no, I remember the group asking to see the backup books and it was well before the announced protest period. It was as soon as we put up Hatch's corrected score.

D Lafleur · Mar 25, 2005

Lets not beat it to death, but your statements do not add up. I do not see where you stated it was during the protest period. If I missed this please show me my error.

Protest are to be handled in the protest period end of story. This is when you go to the back ups. The way the post read, it appears that the rider was questioning the scores during the scoring period. My statement for people who have never scored an event was just for educational purposes. There is more than enough going on at that time without trying to deal with protest. Riders who attempt to do this just delay the entire process.

PS there is more than 5 guys that spend a lot of time and money at this level. Every entrant deserves to have his score right.

These are your quotes:
"I'm not trying to make this go on forever, but a few of the people who made comments need to reread my last post. Obviously the questioning took place IN the protest period when they didn't want to show the backup sheets. That is why it didn't look right. The comment about people who have never scored an event have no right to say anything is about as ridiculous as saying that anyone who has not built a highway has no right to complain about the bumps in the road. OK, I'm done with this, I won't beat it to death anymore."

"OK, personally I believe most people do the right thing and believe what you are saying. But again, these guys are basically trying to make a living at this sport and you are saying that you don't think you should not have to take the time to answer their questions. That is NOT acceptable for a national championship event. Someone should MAKE the time to avoid the appearance that this is a bush league sport. That is really my point and it wasn't intended to offend anyone."

"Then why did you refuse to let them see the backup sheets to verify until really pushed to do so? And then it was a quick glance. It appeared from the second or two that they looked at it that it had been changed also. If there was nothing wrong then the club should have been a little more open and considerate to satisfy everyone. People spend a lot of time and money at this level a should not have to wonder if they were treated fairly"

nzambon · Mar 25, 2005

After putting on enduro's making trail working checks signup scoring milageing it seems the onlypeople that complain are the one's that never work on one! Also lissa I have been selling Jap bikes for 35 years And when I started selling KTM's I know why you see so many they are the best. See you folks at The Marquette National enduro. Trail boss Nick

Lissa · Mar 25, 2005

Opinions are like @$$h0les, everybody has one. Your free to feel the way you do as well as I. My opinion still stands with what originally said.

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