You said it there brother,pace said:On principle, I don't have a problem with decreasing emissions and cleaning up our environment, but there are far greater contributors to pollution than the relatively small number of OHV users. As a historically under-represented group without much financial/political clout, it seems like we are an easy target for environmental lobby groups whose efforts would be more constructively expended elsewhere.
".....and the oaks were all kept equal by hatchet, axe, and saw."YZ165 said:As soon as the two strokes are limited to one spark every two revolutions of the engine, I'll be happy to race a 250F against a 250 2T. Until then, the cc difference is necessary to create equality.
no, they are the first coming of TOTAL AWESOMENESSgwcrim said:. . . But to jump up and down and declare that they are the second coming of Christ, is just a tad foolish.
gwcrim said:".....Take you average racer. Show him two engines. One has few moving parts, is inexpensive to maintain and makes incredible power for it's displacement. The other has many, many more parts, requires judicious maintenance or it grenades and costs beaucoup bux to fix, and requires twice the displacement to keep up with the other engine choice.
Now, absent government intervention, which would the average racer choose?
Yeah... create!YZ165 said:... Until then, the cc difference is necessary to create equality.
Until then, the cc difference is necessary to create equality.
Of course it was easier to ride fast than a 500 cc two-stroke roadracer, right? Interesting how a little doubling of displacement makes a bike "easy to ride," right?
D Lafleur said:The EPA gets you on emissions first,2t, then once the quiet bikes are gone, some local government agency shuts you down for noise,4t,.... Anybody here want to go mountain biking this weekend? Oh wait the hikers want those gone, because they are "too quiet". It is so easy to see it coming!!!!!!! Where will we take the stand?????
I know there are quiet 4t, but the pulses of their exhaust carry further and through material that would normally deaden the 2t.
steve125 said:By supporting Boyesen Engineering is a start. I hear he's close to a patent on the clean burning 2 smoke. Evinrude has made huge strides in this area also. The 4 stroke version of this outboard has to be serviced 7 times more often than the 2 stroke. And weighs 125 lbs more, and of course puts out way less power per displacement.
http://www.evinrude.com/en-US/Campaigns/Emissions.htm
http://www.evinrude.com/en-US/E-Tec/E-TEC.Advantage/
john3_16 The 2 stroke design just has everything going in it's favor...Lighter said:No doubt, with the insurgence of the 4 bangers, its all about lining the pockets of the manufacturers. This extreme should have never been allowed to happen. I wonder if 60 minutes will put this in their " fleecing of America" segment.
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