Cr150f / Cr230f

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This is directly from Hondas webpage.
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CRF150F and CRF230F

Leave it to Honda to bring the excitement of four-stroke motocross to fun loving trail riders everywhere. Honda's 2003 CRF150F and CRF230F mark the introduction of a new series of Honda four-stroke trail bikes. Both machines combine tough, durable four-stroke engines with styling inspired by Honda's race-winning motocrossers to deliver endless grins-per-mile. As an added bonus, the CRF230F features electric starting. Both models will be available in Fall 2002
 
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Re: True??

i dont think honda is going to make the cr150f and cr230? thats weird i know they do plan on creating the cr250f to race with the 125cc class
 

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I read the stuff from Honda and am veru excited about the 150F! :)

Anybody got any pictures yet or specs?
 

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Go to hondamotorcycles.com home page, then click on the blue box in the center that says “the future of performance is here.” There are pictures in there but no specifications yet.
 

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according to the video, they refer to the bike as 'recreational' and by the looks of it, I'd make it out to be a better xr100.

156cc
steel frame
front disc brake

engine looks like all the rest of the xr line :(

so much for a good quality racing 4 stroke for Jr.
 

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I've been thinking about it. YUP, it was designed as a TTR killer.

I HOPE that it has another inch of travel and about 3-4 more horsepower, and they'll have it licked.

Then Yamaha will counter with a REAL racing 150 thumper! And so it will go, back and forth. :cool:
 
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From the Honda website: "takes its cue from our CR450R."

Yeah, ok, it appears to be a new XR with "bold new graphics" and plastics. Will it take the cr450r cue hear in Cali. and be a red stickered bike and not sell* in the largest US market? If it is a green sicker eligible, you know it's going to be an overpriced playbike. The 230 could be going for that market of folks who can't decide between the XR200 and the XR250 and don't want lights (wink-wink). Seriously though, this could signal the end of the both the aforementioned bikes as it would be ludicrous to carry 5 playbikes within 150cc's of each other sounds like a KTM lineup (100, 130, 200, 230 and 250). Theorizing the 4 stroke line could be XR 75/80, crf130, crf230, xr 400, xr650 and crf450r.

Only if they made a stock XR 315, I'll take it.


* You should see all the dealers stuck with '01 DRZ 400's in the LA area.
 
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The 150 appears to be derivative of the SL125 (this motor is still being used in Japan), which was the predicessor to the XL185, then the XR200.

The 230 appears to be the same engine as the Japanese XR200 electric start they've been selling over there for a few years. I think they call it the SL200 (not absolutely sure on this one).

Although the engine design is nothing to write home about, the chassis appear to be a definite upgrade from what was available previously.
 
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I'm not impressed at all. Down right disappointed actually.

Both Honda and Yamaha have established that they can make fine trail bikes, but they didn't need more of the same. They should have filled in the gaps (150cc and 250cc 4 stroke racers) before they tried to fix something that wasn't broke. :(
 

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I don't see anything new with the execption of the 450, and it's not that
new, (single over head cam?). They should have made a XRF 250 and 450
and they would have had somthing to talk about, Yamaha is by far the
four stroke leader with the YZF's,WRF's, R6 and R1. honda can't come up
with anything new till it's to late or so it seams to be, the KTM's look good
also.
 

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Originally posted by BenjaminPQ
I'm not impressed at all. Down right disappointed actually.

Both Honda and Yamaha have established that they can make fine trail bikes, but they didn't need more of the same. They should have filled in the gaps (150cc and 250cc 4 stroke racers) before they tried to fix something that wasn't broke. :(
First, AMA does not recognize a 4-stroke advantage in the youth classes, so to race the 85cc class a 4-stroke would have to be 85cc. And even if AMA or other organizations let 150 cc 4-strokes race youth, it will too little to late for me. I just bought my son a 2002 YZ85, and by 2004, when REAL mini 4-stroke racers MIGHT come out, he will be on a 125, or 250 4-stroke.

By the way, my son was really excited earlier this year when the rumors of a YZ150f were floating around, he really wanted a 4-stroke.
 
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Originally posted by HiG4s


First, AMA does not recognize a 4-stroke advantage in the youth classes, so to race the 85cc class a 4-stroke would have to be 85cc.
When I wrote "4 stroke racers" I meant small 4 strokes with great power and handling. I wasn't referring to AMA racing particularly.

I know I'm not an engineer or anything but I would think Honda could put together something pretty quick. Using the CR80R frame and using technology from the 4 valve XR line or better yet the CRF450R. If BBR can do why can't Honda?