Forums fo handgun owners?

CC_RIDER

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Okie and anyone else interested in getting a handgun, as long as you buy one of the leading name brand guns, you'll be getting a good product.

I've been a firearms dealer in Ft. Worth Tx. for the last twenty two years and have owned, sold, handled or fired about every make and model of handgun made. It is much like looking at motorcycles. Several different manufacturers, models, styles, sizes and intended uses. Of course, for someone who is not familiar with the makes and models, it gets pretty confusing, so the best thing to do is handle and preferably fire as many of the different models as possible before making a decision. Here in Ft. Worth there are several shooting ranges that will the rent various models to help you decide which best suits your needs and shooting style.

My main point is as long as you stay with the tried and trued such as Colt, Glock, Beretta, Smith & Wesson (don't stone me, they do make a good product), Ruger, Taurus, Browning, H&K, Kimber, Walther, Springfield Armory, and several other less known but still worthy makers/importers, you will get a well made product. Granted, some better made than others, but as with most things, the better the quality or the more features, the higher the price. What is most important is the "relationship" you form with the gun. If it feels good in your hand, performs well for you in actual shooting, and is the right type of "tool" for the intended purpose, then you have found a good choice. Don't buy a small lightweight fixed sight gun for target shooting, and like wise don't get the tricked out, accurized, target masterpieces for down and dirty hunting purposes or self protection.

A few months back I traded my local KTM dealer and his partner handguns for goods and services at their shop. One of them is from Brazil and has owned many firearms. He choose a Ruger P-90 45 acp. He loves the gun and has fired several thousand rounds through it already. The partner had only owned a shotgun, but he sprang for a Sig 229 .40 cal. with night sights. He has yet to fire it.
Different strokes for different folks!

Best advice, stay away from the under $250 (new) guns unless that is all your budget will allow, handle and shoot if possible as many different guns as you can get your hands on, and know what your needs are.
But in the end, the gun you can form a good relationship with is all you need.
 

Hogwylde

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Okie,
We can carry concealed here in Indiana with a permit. Michigan also honors Indiana's concealed carry permits (I've heard). Think Kentucky gives out concealed carry permits (not sure about that though), and know for sure Florida has a concealed carry permit law as well as Texas. Illinois and Ohio are NAZI'S though....dont be caught dead with a loaded weapon concealed or in your vehicle.

by the way.......Para-Ordnance P-14/45. dont let that high capacity magazine ban scare ya.......you CAN still get them, just not in one piece. It's illegal to sell COMPLETE (post ban) high capacity magazines, but not components.

Para-Ordnance site>>> http://www.para-ordnance.com/intro.html

Jaybird, if you have a concealed carry permit, no waiting period. The Indiana state police already did a background check on ya when they gave you your permit, so no waiting like those that dont have one.
 
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Jonny426

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concealed carry (MA.)

My screwed commonwealth had for some years thought this was the hot set-up: pistol permit:open carry to ensure direct owner control(and scare the hell out of most people),and concealed carry to law enforcement/special permit only. Now , if you are lucky enough to get a pistol permit(at the sole discretion of the local chief of police)it MUST be concealed.The second option is in my mind a better alternative;I don't scare the general public without reason,and if by chance,mr.bad guy isn't aware either. Nobody should go looking for trouble, but , like the boy scouts,"be prepared".T/C.22LR,T/C.357MAG .,T/C.357MAXIMUM.,Ruger.357MAXIMUM.,10 5/8bbl., (NRA metallic silhouette pieces,)(100meters) S+W mod.29,.44MAG,10 5/8 frt.&rr.adj. sights, (IMSA metallic silhouette gun)(200meters),.22LR Jennings"pocket rocket"(I used to work in Holyoke,heroin capitol of western MA.)Shall we talk long guns? I have never needed to fire a shot in defense of self or family and I hope never to do so,but I will be ready."Take or be taken"Jonny426
 

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Okie -- I've either got, or had, most of the well known ones.

Sig 226 is the best all around, in my book. Though 9mm is a little small, get the +p if legal where you are, you'll be fine. Large gun, though, if size is an issue.

Now, although I believe a larger diameter bullet is desirable for most real situations, a la .45, I must say I think the .40, in particular, isn't the answer. It's known as a "jumper." And, though I can't explain it, I believe it, from my own experiences.

A good .45, on the other hand, is awesome. . . Though I have a stainless Colt Officer's Model .45, which I love, I must admit the reliability is not the best -- even after a throat job. Personally I'm becoming interested in Star and some other .45 choices, not to mention Sig's offerings. (I'll never look at S & W semi's, though. And Rugers -- yuk).

As to HK, it would be perfect for Armageddon. Drop it, kick it, bury it, toss it in a lake, forget about it, point it 5 years later and shoot it type reliability. Not exactly a smooth trigger pull, though, as it's a pure functionality design (stacks a lot).

If you decide to go ahead with the .40, and with the HK in particular (I would) -- I'll sell you mine. Shot once. 50 rounds exactly.

Berettas? Nice, but too damn large, bulky, etc. Not enough bang for the buck, in terms of packaging (and money too, I suppose).

In sum, you have to balance size, reliability, caliber, intended use, "pointability", sights, capacity, and how much you plain ol' like the thing ( I believe this matters because the more you like it the more you'll practice with it).

pm if you want low-downs on other specific models.
 

Jaybird

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The tumble effect of .22's is a myth really....they have not got the velocity to actually cause much damage by tumbling, but 5 rounds from one will definately do the job. a .45 hydro-shok, on the other hand is a one shot deal.
Try shooting a block of 2x4 wood with both....the .22 will go in a make a lil hole and may or may not come out. Shoot a same size block with a .45 hydro-shok and the block will completely explode! :D

The PO's do not have plastic anything....they have two choices of bodies, steel and composite. I choose the composite because it is much much lighter than the steel frame. I use mine for protection and only fire it occasianally. If you are going to use a Para-Ordinance for target shooting and fire mucho rounds you may want to consider the steel frame.

firecracker, I have to agree that the Sig is one fine weapon!(not cheap either)

Hands down, the best target pistol I've ever shot was the Ruger .22 revolver. Very, very accurate and consistant.

I have shot many 9mm's and have never shot one that can compare to my PO as far as target precision. btw...I am an expert marksman.

The weight of a .45 isn't a problem. I like two methods of carry for them. 1) a small of back belt holster is great for easy access and conceal. I preffer to carry 2)a fanny pack (worn in front). These have a quick pull front and room for an extra clip. Law enforcement will KNOW what you have when they see it, a crook may think it's your money and drivers license.:p

I had my P-13 at the range once and was shooting silloutte targets. These have little sillouettes at the top left hand side that show you what point value the areas of the full size sillouette are....After a nice 14 rounds I pulled in the target, the range man chuckled and said "Hey pal, you missed the whole damn target" Hehehehe...."look at the 14 rounds I placed in the little target".:cool: He then seemed impressed.

Any state that has a carry permit will have a reciprical agreement with any other state that honors theirs. Meaning if you have a permit in one state, you have it in all carry states.

Folks, the problem with kids getting hold of your gun is not a problem if you are a responsible carrier. If you carry a weapon it means you have FULL CONTROL of the weapon at all times. If it is not on your person it should be locked, no acceptions....cept for maybe in the nightstand. That to me is a grey area. But a responsible shooter will either lock or remove the weapon from the nightstand each morning. Irresponsibility on parents part, gets kids killed.

btw...One must decide if they like double or single action weapons. Quite a bit of difference on how to handle them.
 
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Jaybird

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LOL...just had to add this, sorry ladies. :)

13 REASONS WHY A HANDGUN IS BETTER THAN A WOMAN:


You can buy a silencer for a handgun.

You can trade a .44 for two .22's.

You can have a handgun at home and another for the road.

If you admire a friend's handgun and tell him so, he will be impressed and
let you try a few rounds with it.

Your primary handgun doesn't mind if you have a backup.

Your handgun will stay with you even if you are out of ammo.

A handgun doesn't take up a lot of closet space.

Handguns function normally every day of the month.

A handgun won't ask, "Do these grips make me look fat?"

A handgun does not mind if you go to sleep after you're done using it.

You can have more than one handgun living in the same house without having
problems.

A handgun doesn't care how big your trigger finger is.

A handgun won't tell all of its friends if you are a "little fast on the
trigger"...
 

P_Taylor

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ruger anti-motorcycle

Ruger denied medical coverage for employees that were injured riding motorcycles a while back. I think they finally changed that but it was only because of pressure to do so and not because they support riding.

Ruger is not a company to support. Smith & Wesson hasn`t been much for the rights of citizens themselves in the past few years , but I think I read that they have recently changed ownership which might improve their position.
 

Offroadr

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I have a Glock 21 and love it.

Have a Ruger P89 and don't shoot it much (9mm is not as much fun to shoot!)

I have shot an HK and thought it was very comparable to the Glock

I own a HK but its a HK91 rifle. Awesome gun! Banned from importation in 1985. Good investment!
 

Okiewan

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ahhhh....

Gotta love it
So whats the concensous for indoor use round size?
I don't want a round leaving the house and would obviously like it to stay in the room :eek: . It's always been my impression that a larger/slower round is better in this regard?
 

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longtime

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Re: ahhhh....

Originally posted by Okiewan
It's always been my impression that a larger/slower round is better in this regard?

That's my thinking. A .45 ball ammo. NOT HydraShock, btw -- counterintuitively (for me, at least), it penetrates more, at least through certain compounds, than most other choices.

Now quit talking about the H&K, or buy mine!
 

DANIEL JOSEPH

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In CT.if you are licensed to carry a firearm (Hand Gun) it must be concealed. You can not carry a hand gun in public veiw.
 

DANIEL JOSEPH

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Yup, If you have a license It MUST be concealed. You can not carry it like the days of the Wild West as a side arm. Loaded or unloaded it most be on you and concealed.
 
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XRpredator

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Re: Concealed Carry

Here in Idaho, you can walk around all over town with your pistolero in a holster, as long as it's in view, without a permit (just like the old west). Of course, any business has the right to tell you to "leave it at the desk" and I'm sure you can't take it into a federal building (not sure about the county courthouse). You can also get a concealed weapon permit, but I think you still have to give it up if you go into a federal building.

And as far as Ruger being anti-motorcycle, that sucks. I like my P89 (I got big hands), and I would like to get a 300 Win Mag in a stainless M77. :( Are they truly ANTI-motorcycle?
 

CC_RIDER

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Re: ahhhh....



Okie, the Glaser Safety Slug is what you need. It is a jacketed bullet casing filled with small lead shot and sealed over with a polymer cap. It is designed to break apart upon impact and disperse it's payload. In this way, about 90% of it's energy is dissipated upon break-up, so once through a wall or ricocheting off an object, in most cases, the fragments will have a less than lethal amount of energy left.

On the other hand, upon impact with flesh, the tiny lead pellets disperse violently creating a massive wound and extreme blood flow. A 45 acp Glaser will create a wound as severe as a .44 magnum. It has been nick-named the "surgeons nigthmare".

Any other solid projectile including HP rounds will penetrate walls (plural) regardless of bullet weight.
 

P_Taylor

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The deal on Ruger was in the AMA mag a while back , it has been a couple of years. They refused to cover injuries under the employee medical plan if they were riding injuries. Street , dirt , legal or illegal it didn`t matter and they were not covered. I think it has changed now because of outside pressure.

The Glaser Safety slugs were developed for air marshalls to carry on airliners. They are low penetration rounds.
 

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In my small collection of firearms one of my favorites guns is my Ruger P93DC (9mm sub-compact de-cock only) and a close second is the S&W 640 with a concealed hammer.

I hate to hear Rugers stance on the medical coverage. But would that be Rugers decision or their health care providers decision?
 

a454elk

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How do you shoot seeing is that you're all thumbs!?
 

zio

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model 85... what caliber is that? I've shot their .380- nice little gun, pretty accurate out of the box... compact but not too small for my hand. For concealment it'd be nice, otherwise I think it may be too small for defense or too limited for the range. I'm sure one of the experts can give better info, though.
 

Yamaholley

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we can also carry concealed handguns here in Oregon with a permit.
I don't think it's a crazy thing at all...just my .02
 

P_Taylor

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www.1911forum.com is a forum site for this pistol

unloaded only in Illinois??? I guess for a state that voted for Gore that is still more conservative than expected.

one more thing to mention -- The CARA legislation is suported by the NRA and they need to hear about it , this bill if passed will close many acres of land to many forms of recreation. The NRA needs to hear your views on CARA.
 

Jaybird

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Unloaded only....kinda like fishing with a dry hook! :think .....
 

DaddGoneMadd

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If you haven't bought anything yet, I would highly recommend at least holding a CZ or one the many clones. I have an EAA Witness clone in .40cal. I haven't found anything that fits in the hand as well as the CZ type frame. Even Col. Jeff Cooper, the biggest 1911 bigot in the world, used the CZ design in his long gone Bren Ten.
 
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