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My wife (yes my wife:) ) has the 92 with a custom grip. Very nice piece.
If you are gonna try a .45 do NOT miss out on trying a para-ordinace!
I have the P-13 model and I feel it is the best shooting .45 on the market.
I've had Colts and they can't compare with the para-ordinace without major work. These babies are fully gunsmithed right out of the box and absolutely perfect on the range. Not a concealment treasure, but with 13 Hydro-shoks in the clip and one in the pipe, you are ready for anything. Sweet Pistol!
The P-13 is the weapon of choice for the secret service (so I've been told) and I have never had a jam on mine.
If you are gonna try a .45 do NOT miss out on trying a para-ordinace!
I have the P-13 model and I feel it is the best shooting .45 on the market.
I've had Colts and they can't compare with the para-ordinace without major work. These babies are fully gunsmithed right out of the box and absolutely perfect on the range. Not a concealment treasure, but with 13 Hydro-shoks in the clip and one in the pipe, you are ready for anything. Sweet Pistol!
The P-13 is the weapon of choice for the secret service (so I've been told) and I have never had a jam on mine.
Aust 520exc
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You guy's are for real, aren't you?
I know we have some really crazy gun laws over here, so it is hard to get a grasp on it, but you guys are at the other end of the scale...
I know we have some really crazy gun laws over here, so it is hard to get a grasp on it, but you guys are at the other end of the scale...
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Humm... are you talking about our constitutional right (if not responsibility) to own firearms? Don't misunderstand, I do feel it's a good thing to be able to defend my family and my home, not that I'm sitting here worried about having to do it.
FYI, there arent many places in the US where concealed weapons are legal, I only know of Texas ??? . I also understand that there are some folks that can carry depending on their profession in other states. In Illinois, you can carry it, unloaded, in a closed case or bag, but that's it.
FYI, there arent many places in the US where concealed weapons are legal, I only know of Texas ??? . I also understand that there are some folks that can carry depending on their profession in other states. In Illinois, you can carry it, unloaded, in a closed case or bag, but that's it.
LWilson250
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My uncle had a HK .45 and I sure don’t think highly of it. I thought it was bulky and not very smooth. I hate how the magazine release is way out on the trigger guard! I have also shot a PO. VERY NICE .45! The only problem is I believe they have a plastic slide guide, or something. It needs to be replaced with a metal one. Have you looked at any Walthers? The make some nice little handguns.
kingriz1, what if there are more then one assailants? I think anything less then 9 shots is useless. I would much rather have 15 9mm hollow points then 6 .45’s.
Good luck Okie, keep us updated.
Lee W.
kingriz1, what if there are more then one assailants? I think anything less then 9 shots is useless. I would much rather have 15 9mm hollow points then 6 .45’s.
Good luck Okie, keep us updated.
Lee W.
This site packing.org, usually, has reliable information on the requirements that must be met for concealed carry in a particular state.
Aust 520exc
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I'm not having a go at that, I would do all in my power - and more - if it came to doing protecting those I care about. It is just that (my opinion only - no flame intended) not everybody should have access to firearms - I know that guns don't kill, people kill people - but having such availabilty lets every crackpot with a few "kangaroos loose in the top paddock" go out pick up a gun and start dropping innocent people.
Then again my view on this is different from your own, Australia has a much smaller population & therefore (hopefully) less crackpots.
I grew up on a farm and was taught at an early age about firearms & safety - out there they were just another tool - do you really nead such a tool in an urban situation??
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LWilson250
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I would much rather fend off an attacker with a gun then a spoon.
Lee W.
Lee W.
Aust 520exc
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LMAO Lee, I hold you fully responsible for a choking fit that occured as I flicked back to DRN whilst throwing down a coffee. :o :eek:
I'm not up for a gun debate either I was just noting the differences between us Spoon fightin' Aussies and you Gun-totin' 'mericans!!
I'm not up for a gun debate either I was just noting the differences between us Spoon fightin' Aussies and you Gun-totin' 'mericans!!
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The law in Arizona used to be concealed carry allowed. Dont know if its changed since the 90's.
I'll never forget seeing a sign in the local supermarket that read:
"Please check all guns at the Customer Service desk."
Coming from the East, that was a major shock!
I'll never forget seeing a sign in the local supermarket that read:
"Please check all guns at the Customer Service desk."
Coming from the East, that was a major shock!
Lee,
There is a fine line between being safe and being paranoid.
It is also really hard to pack a 13 round clip in the summer under a shirt. You will probably never have to shoot one person much less 3-4 in any one situation. Unless you live in the hood.
I want to pack a heater and forget that it is there. 13 bullets get heav bro. Your gun under the seat or in the gun safe in the closet is good for nothing. It has to be within reach.
Never pull unless you plan to shoot. Usually by that point the rest are running and ducking. I have been in some pretty hairy situations. I ran security for nightclubs and big events. We ran across some idiots. If you use your head and think you dont even need a gun 99% of the time. I hope no one ever needs to pull a piece but if you do 5 bullets should suffice.
Sincerely,
Riz
There is a fine line between being safe and being paranoid.
It is also really hard to pack a 13 round clip in the summer under a shirt. You will probably never have to shoot one person much less 3-4 in any one situation. Unless you live in the hood.
I want to pack a heater and forget that it is there. 13 bullets get heav bro. Your gun under the seat or in the gun safe in the closet is good for nothing. It has to be within reach.
Never pull unless you plan to shoot. Usually by that point the rest are running and ducking. I have been in some pretty hairy situations. I ran security for nightclubs and big events. We ran across some idiots. If you use your head and think you dont even need a gun 99% of the time. I hope no one ever needs to pull a piece but if you do 5 bullets should suffice.
Sincerely,
Riz
LWilson250
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:p
SPOON!!! The famous battle cry of the Australian army!
“We can kick your ass and eat our dinner too!”
Lee W.
Lee,
I would like to add the only large gun I would carry is a 45. It is still slimmer than any of the others. Have you picked up a pocketlite 380. And remember the true assasins used .22 caliber guns. The bullet goes inside and bounces around. Messes up everything. Larger caliber go in and out. I would rather be shot with a 45 than a 22 if I had to make that choice.
Sincerely,
Riz
I would like to add the only large gun I would carry is a 45. It is still slimmer than any of the others. Have you picked up a pocketlite 380. And remember the true assasins used .22 caliber guns. The bullet goes inside and bounces around. Messes up everything. Larger caliber go in and out. I would rather be shot with a 45 than a 22 if I had to make that choice.
Sincerely,
Riz
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Totally unrelated, but there is a reference to guns & it is Friday here so a good time for some humor.
_______________________________________________________
The "Real" Australian Constitution Preamble
What state are you from?
We, the people of the broad brown land of Oz, wish to be recognised
as a free nation of blokes, sheilas, and the occasional boong. We
come from many lands (although a few too many of us come from New
Zealand) and, although we live in the best country in the world, we
reserve the right to bitch and moan about it whenever we bloody
like.
We are One Nation, but we're divided into many States. First,
there's Victoria, named after a Queen who didn't believe in
lesbians. Victoria is the realm of Mossimo turtlenecks, cafe latte,
grand final day, and big horse races. It's capital is Melbourne,
whose chief marketing pitch is that it's "liveable". At least
that's what they think. The rest of us think it's too bloody cold
and wet.
Next, there is New South Wales, the realm of pastel shorts,
macchiato with sugar, thin books read quickly, and millions of
dancing queens. It's capital, Sydney, has more queens than any city
in the world, and is proud of it. It's mascots are Bondi lifesavers
who pull their Speedos up their cracks to keep the left and right
sides of their brains
separate.
Down south we have Tasmania, a State based on the notion that the
family that bonks together stays together. In Tassie, everyone gets
an extra chromosome at conception. Maps of the State bring smiles
to the sternest faces. It holds the world record for a single mass
shooting, which the Yanks can't seem to beat no matter how often
they try.
South Australia is the province of half-decent reds, a festival of
foreigners, and bizarre axe-murders. South Australia is the State
of innovation, where else can you so effectively re-use country bank
vaults and barrels as in Snowton, just out of Adelaide (also named
after a Queen). They had the Grand Prix, but lost it when the views
of Adelaide sent the Formula One drivers to sleep at the wheel.
Western Australia is too far from anywhere to be relevant in this
document. It's main claim to fame is that it doesn't have daylight
saving because if it did, all the men would get *happy* on the bus
on the way to work. Western Australia was the last state to stop
importing convicts, and many of them still work there in the
Government
and business.
The Northern Territory is the red heart of the land. Outback
plains, sheep stations the size of Europe, kangaroos, jackaroos,
emus, Ulurus, and dusty kids with big smiles. It also has the
highest beer consumption of anywhere on the planet, and it's creek
beds have the highest aluminium content of anywhere too. Although
the Territory is the centre piece of our national culture, few of us
live there and the rest prefer to fly over it on our way to Bali.
And there's Queensland. Sugarcane, Big Pineapples, Cows, fish and
more.
Golden beaches and finer women that anywhere else in the world and
usually smaller bikinis too, it takes 2nd Place to Sydney in everything
except Virgin Blue Airlines. While any mention of God seems silly in
a document defining a nation of half-arsed agnostics, it is worth
noting that God probably made Queensland. Why he filled it with
dickheads remains a mystery.
Oh yes, and there's Canberra. The least said, the better.
We, the citizens of Oz, are united by the Pacific Highway, whose
treacherous twists and turns kill more of us each year than die by
murder. We are united in our lust for international recognition, so
desperate for praise, we leap in joy when a ragtag gaggle of corrupt
IOC officials tells us Sydney is better than Beijing. We are united
by a democracy so flawed that a political party, albeit a redneck
gun-toting one, can get a million votes and still not win one seat
in Federal Parliament while bloody Brian Harradine can get 24,000
votes and run the whole country. Not that we're whingeing, we leave
that to our Pommy immigrants.
We want to make "No worries, mate!" our national phrase, "She'll be
right, mate!" our national attitude, and "Waltzing Matilda" our
national anthem (so what if it's about a sheep-stealing crim who
commits suicide).
We love sport so much our newsreaders can read the death toll from a
sailing race and still tell us who's winning in the same breath.
And we're the best in the world at all the sports that count, like
cricket, netball, rugby, AFL, roo-shooting, two-up, and horse
racing.
We also have the biggest rock, the tastiest pies, the blackest
aborigines, and the worst-dressed Olympians in the known universe.
We don't know much about art, but we hate the poofs who make it. We
shoot, we vote. We are girt by sea and pissed by lunchtime. And
even though we might seem a racist, closed-minded, sports-obsessed
little people, at least we're better than the Kiwis.
_______________________________________________________
The "Real" Australian Constitution Preamble
What state are you from?
We, the people of the broad brown land of Oz, wish to be recognised
as a free nation of blokes, sheilas, and the occasional boong. We
come from many lands (although a few too many of us come from New
Zealand) and, although we live in the best country in the world, we
reserve the right to bitch and moan about it whenever we bloody
like.
We are One Nation, but we're divided into many States. First,
there's Victoria, named after a Queen who didn't believe in
lesbians. Victoria is the realm of Mossimo turtlenecks, cafe latte,
grand final day, and big horse races. It's capital is Melbourne,
whose chief marketing pitch is that it's "liveable". At least
that's what they think. The rest of us think it's too bloody cold
and wet.
Next, there is New South Wales, the realm of pastel shorts,
macchiato with sugar, thin books read quickly, and millions of
dancing queens. It's capital, Sydney, has more queens than any city
in the world, and is proud of it. It's mascots are Bondi lifesavers
who pull their Speedos up their cracks to keep the left and right
sides of their brains
separate.
Down south we have Tasmania, a State based on the notion that the
family that bonks together stays together. In Tassie, everyone gets
an extra chromosome at conception. Maps of the State bring smiles
to the sternest faces. It holds the world record for a single mass
shooting, which the Yanks can't seem to beat no matter how often
they try.
South Australia is the province of half-decent reds, a festival of
foreigners, and bizarre axe-murders. South Australia is the State
of innovation, where else can you so effectively re-use country bank
vaults and barrels as in Snowton, just out of Adelaide (also named
after a Queen). They had the Grand Prix, but lost it when the views
of Adelaide sent the Formula One drivers to sleep at the wheel.
Western Australia is too far from anywhere to be relevant in this
document. It's main claim to fame is that it doesn't have daylight
saving because if it did, all the men would get *happy* on the bus
on the way to work. Western Australia was the last state to stop
importing convicts, and many of them still work there in the
Government
and business.
The Northern Territory is the red heart of the land. Outback
plains, sheep stations the size of Europe, kangaroos, jackaroos,
emus, Ulurus, and dusty kids with big smiles. It also has the
highest beer consumption of anywhere on the planet, and it's creek
beds have the highest aluminium content of anywhere too. Although
the Territory is the centre piece of our national culture, few of us
live there and the rest prefer to fly over it on our way to Bali.
And there's Queensland. Sugarcane, Big Pineapples, Cows, fish and
more.
Golden beaches and finer women that anywhere else in the world and
usually smaller bikinis too, it takes 2nd Place to Sydney in everything
except Virgin Blue Airlines. While any mention of God seems silly in
a document defining a nation of half-arsed agnostics, it is worth
noting that God probably made Queensland. Why he filled it with
dickheads remains a mystery.
Oh yes, and there's Canberra. The least said, the better.
We, the citizens of Oz, are united by the Pacific Highway, whose
treacherous twists and turns kill more of us each year than die by
murder. We are united in our lust for international recognition, so
desperate for praise, we leap in joy when a ragtag gaggle of corrupt
IOC officials tells us Sydney is better than Beijing. We are united
by a democracy so flawed that a political party, albeit a redneck
gun-toting one, can get a million votes and still not win one seat
in Federal Parliament while bloody Brian Harradine can get 24,000
votes and run the whole country. Not that we're whingeing, we leave
that to our Pommy immigrants.
We want to make "No worries, mate!" our national phrase, "She'll be
right, mate!" our national attitude, and "Waltzing Matilda" our
national anthem (so what if it's about a sheep-stealing crim who
commits suicide).
We love sport so much our newsreaders can read the death toll from a
sailing race and still tell us who's winning in the same breath.
And we're the best in the world at all the sports that count, like
cricket, netball, rugby, AFL, roo-shooting, two-up, and horse
racing.
We also have the biggest rock, the tastiest pies, the blackest
aborigines, and the worst-dressed Olympians in the known universe.
We don't know much about art, but we hate the poofs who make it. We
shoot, we vote. We are girt by sea and pissed by lunchtime. And
even though we might seem a racist, closed-minded, sports-obsessed
little people, at least we're better than the Kiwis.
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LWilson250
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Same here. And yes I did know about the .22 being a true assasin caliber. I also can say that my dad has been in a few tight places where 30-50 rounds of ammo would be a very nice thing to have. I lived in Albuquerque for a long time, scary place. I would have felt safer if I could have carried a gun. But I was also only 12, so I stuck to my Swiss Arm knife.
Lee W.
LWilson250
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Aust 520exc, ROF LMAO!!!!
One of these days I am going to take a trip to Melbourne to see a few friends! Then I can see Oz first hand!
Lee W.
One of these days I am going to take a trip to Melbourne to see a few friends! Then I can see Oz first hand!
Lee W.
Big Boy 250
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That thing about the crips, well there everywhere. I got some goin to my school here in Florida, and I herd recently there was going to be a fight with two crips gangs but from different areas. Now I thought since they're in the same gang, wouldn't they be friends or somthing? I can't quite understand why they are doing that. Oh well...
Aust 520exc
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I thought that might get a chuckle or two ;)
Melbourne's a pretty cool city - I may be biased -and there is some kick a$$ riding within an hour's drive. The rest of Oz is pretty cool to - we have the Emerald City, the yellow brick road... and when you click your heels together...
Melbourne's a pretty cool city - I may be biased -and there is some kick a$$ riding within an hour's drive. The rest of Oz is pretty cool to - we have the Emerald City, the yellow brick road... and when you click your heels together...
LWilson250
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The only problem with going to Oz is it will cost me my new bike that I am saving for. So... is a girl worth not getting a new bike??? Umm, I don’t know. Back on the topic of guns, does anyone here shoot target .22’s? I love target shooting; it really tests your aiming ability. It takes a steady hand to be a good target shooter.
Lee W.
Lee W.
Okie, the SS may well be issued the HK's, but I have heard they preffer to carry para-ordinace. I don't know of a website for them, but I do know they aint cheap.
I live in Indiana and have had a concealed carry permit for years now. Used to be you needed a letter from an employer or sumsuch describing your need to carry a concealed weapon. That is not the case now since the Indiana legislature has re-thought the situation and realised that we citizens have every much the right to carry weapons as anyone. We have always had to register any weapon we have purchased and there has always been a waiting period to gain possesion.
We Americans have the right to possess weapons to protect ourselves from tyrannical governments. We also have the right to protect our family and property. I sure won't go into ranting about countries or states for that matter that don't allow weapons, makes me crazy.
I live in Indiana and have had a concealed carry permit for years now. Used to be you needed a letter from an employer or sumsuch describing your need to carry a concealed weapon. That is not the case now since the Indiana legislature has re-thought the situation and realised that we citizens have every much the right to carry weapons as anyone. We have always had to register any weapon we have purchased and there has always been a waiting period to gain possesion.
We Americans have the right to possess weapons to protect ourselves from tyrannical governments. We also have the right to protect our family and property. I sure won't go into ranting about countries or states for that matter that don't allow weapons, makes me crazy.
firecracker22
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Great gun. I love mine. All I need now are the tridium night sights and those elusive hi-cap magazines . . . I already have added the Hogue grips, which are very nice.
I did shoot the HK USP, and liked it--it was my second choice. I decided in favor of the Sig due to the greater availability of carrying accessories and aftermarket parts and goodies. Although coming fitted with laser sight mounts is a nice bonus. It shot very well and I like the ambidextrous magazine release.
I like Glocks but they do not fit very comfortably in my little girly hands. The model 36 was quite a bit better--I demo-ed one at the local range and actually had a smaller group with it than I did my own gun.
Another nice one, if you like .45 and aren't worried about concealment, is the Sig 220. I love shooting those but I can't afford multiple guns and mine is far more concealable.
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LWilson250
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Am I the ONLY person here who doesn’t like the HK USP .45??? I think that for a .45 caliber hand gun the best would have to be a Safari Arms: Match Master .45! It is SOO cool, has an insanely high ROF and is perfectly weighted so all those shots hit their intended mark. The craftsmanship is remarkable, each part lovingly made (by automated machines) the gun works like a wonder.
Lee W.
Lee W.
state to state carry
If you hold a concealed carry license in Ky. you are legal to carry all the way to the tip of florida , I can`t say about north of Mason/Dixon as I don`t usually go there.
There are many states that now issue concealed carry license/permits. I read somewhere it was 38 states that do issue , but don`t remember where to verify that.
www.idpa.com
www.gunsite.net
www.thunderranchinc.com
I am partial to the 1911 in .45acp , 10mm is fun to play with too. The 9X23mm looks good on paper but I haven`t shot one yet. It never really took off sales wise so I haven`t bought one. There are several quality 1911s on the market as well as some junk.
If your going to roll your own check out the Dillon products.
If you hold a concealed carry license in Ky. you are legal to carry all the way to the tip of florida , I can`t say about north of Mason/Dixon as I don`t usually go there.
There are many states that now issue concealed carry license/permits. I read somewhere it was 38 states that do issue , but don`t remember where to verify that.
www.idpa.com
www.gunsite.net
www.thunderranchinc.com
I am partial to the 1911 in .45acp , 10mm is fun to play with too. The 9X23mm looks good on paper but I haven`t shot one yet. It never really took off sales wise so I haven`t bought one. There are several quality 1911s on the market as well as some junk.
If your going to roll your own check out the Dillon products.
